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robstones
Posted 2018-06-24 8:02 AM (#707191)
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Miller seems to be more of a project, as are most D, especially being that he just started playing defense a couple years ago.... which is fine. That said, he is projecting as a defensive defenseman. He needs to continue to mold his raw tools to shut down the opposition, and will surely get a chance to do that in college. Again, check off all the boxes.... Size, speed, skill.

Seems to have the do what it takes attitude to succeed, so we'll see how fast he pulls his game together. Being that he is going through college, I expect him to do at least 2 years, and reevaluate from there. But 2 more years of focusing on his game, and dare is say.... getting bigger??..... we'll have a much better idea of what we have on our hands here.

His potential is that of a Brent Burns, though, so because of that he most certainly could be the steal of the draft.... Dobson who??? USA! USA!USA!

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 8:25 AM (#707193 - in reply to #707191)
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Rob lol dont say project...Pierre said project when we took Mclrath
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Posted 2018-06-24 8:28 AM (#707195 - in reply to #707193)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-24 10:25 AM

Rob lol dont say project...Pierre said project when we took Mclrath


Fvck Pierre. Every defenseman is a project outside of Dahlin. None are NHL ready
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 8:38 AM (#707199 - in reply to #707195)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-24 10:25 AM

Rob lol dont say project...Pierre said project when we took Mclrath


Fvck Pierre. Every defenseman is a project outside of Dahlin. None are NHL ready

Hahaha leave my Pierre alone !...At least the TV people didnt hate the Miller pick...like they did when we picked Mclrath....Clark should of gotten fired after that...without question
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 8:39 AM (#707200 - in reply to #707191)
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I hope I am wrong but Gordie track record sucks....There were many different ways to go with the 28 and the 39 ....they failed there
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-24 8:47 AM (#707201 - in reply to #707191)
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We don't need "Projects" certainly not with the 20th pick in the draft when there were many good players on the board.... The always pull this shlt and spin it to be something great...

All they did was make every team that picked after them better
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Posted 2018-06-24 8:53 AM (#707203 - in reply to #707191)
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I like this Miller kid a lot based on what I have seen and read. Seems to have very big potential upside to be a stud if he gets there. I don't like having to give up a 2nd to move up 4 spots to 22, but I like what I have read on the player.

Overall to me good or bad hard to get on the players we picked right now. No one really knows how they will pan out/if they will pan out. I don't like the value Gorton got in this draft though, that is my issue. I don't think that part can be debated. A lot of that will be forgotten though if we get a group of really good players out of this draft. Time will tell.


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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-24 9:06 AM (#707205 - in reply to #707191)
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I hope the kid turns into the next PK Subban but we need people who know how to draft.... Gorton has basically no track record of success. He still has an O fer going and needed to get some hits here. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room but like Bill Parcells said you are what your record says you are.... I hope I am wrong BTW
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robstones
Posted 2018-06-24 9:18 AM (#707206 - in reply to #707191)
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How in the world is Chris Kreider, Jt Miller, Brady Skjei a record of no success???? He only gets credit for McIlrath? Was he even running the show for Jessimen???

I know I've been called an optimist, but.... when everything is doom and gloom, what else is there?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 9:24 AM (#707207 - in reply to #707191)
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Yes he has some success...but there is also a whole lot more of misses...Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, JT is a bust because we traded him...and he is not a top 6 forward, Mclrath ...the whole 2015 draft....
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-24 9:31 AM (#707208 - in reply to #707191)
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None of those are top line or top pair players.

Kreider is enigmatic at best but I still like him
JT was traded and should have not been if we were going to fire the coach
Skjiel ... who knows we saw good Brady and not so good Brady.
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robstones
Posted 2018-06-24 9:49 AM (#707210 - in reply to #707191)
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Ah.... success means 1st line face of the franchise, rather then mere top 6 talent.... got it. Makes sense.
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Posted 2018-06-24 9:51 AM (#707211 - in reply to #707191)
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So if K'Andre pans out to be anything but a top pair guy.... This was a failure?
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Posted 2018-06-24 9:51 AM (#707212 - in reply to #707191)
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I disagree. Miller, Skjei and Kreider are hits. They are all good players. Top 6 forwards and a top 4 dman. We have to be fair now. He has his big share of misses also, but he also has hits. And they are not top 5 or even top 10 picks we are talking about.

To me I think it is kind of straight forward. Gorton's legacy and ultimately how he is viewed here will be written by Andersson, Chytil, the players he drafted this week and traded for at the trade DL this year. I don't think it is more complicated than that. 2 years from now we'll have a pretty good picture of how Gorton will be remembered here.






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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-24 11:57 AM (#707214 - in reply to #707191)
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Success means that in the draft and in your program you have more over achievers than under achievers. I'm tired of hearing about potential. And I'm just not blaming JG this goes back to Sather too. Where do you think this staff ranks as far as talent evaluators and draft success against their peers????... This organization should be in the top 5 with their financial resources but aren't even in the top 15 teams. And we have done a shiddiy job in coaching with the exception of Allaire. Look at the carousel of clowns we've had since '94. Why couldn't/wouldn't a Babcock or a Quenville or a Suter coach here? Is it the system? Ownership? Personally IMHO I think they should sell the team The Dolan's have not had much success at MSG.
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Posted 2018-06-24 2:42 PM (#707217 - in reply to #707191)
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What other teams have better draft history? We went a long time without any 1st round picks, and yet every year we have at least one rookie. Buchnevich isn't a success being drafted at 3? Do you get any mpre overachiever than Lundqvist?

Who has that many more overachievers, as compared to Kreider or the countless others we've drafted. Is Fast not a good enough player for a 6th round pick? Stepan. Anisimov, Dubinsky, Callahan was captain, and every last one of us loved him.... for at least one season, right?

None are McDavid, but we also haven't drafted higher than 7.

We're talking about a team that went a few years without having a pick till like #86

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-06-24 4:20 PM (#707221 - in reply to #707203)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-06-24 8:53 AM

I like this Miller kid a lot based on what I have seen and read. Seems to have very big potential upside to be a stud if he gets there. I don't like having to give up a 2nd to move up 4 spots to 22, but I like what I have read on the player.

Overall to me good or bad hard to get on the players we picked right now. No one really knows how they will pan out/if they will pan out. I don't like the value Gorton got in this draft though, that is my issue. I don't think that part can be debated. A lot of that will be forgotten though if we get a group of really good players out of this draft. Time will tell.




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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-06-24 4:22 PM (#707222 - in reply to #707206)
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robstones - 2018-06-24 9:18 AM

How in the world is Chris Kreider, Jt Miller, Brady Skjei a record of no success???? He only gets credit for McIlrath? Was he even running the show for Jessimen???

I know I've been called an optimist, but.... when everything is doom and gloom, what else is there?


I have to say, I'm starting to appreciate your optimism
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-06-24 4:23 PM (#707223 - in reply to #707207)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-24 9:24 AM

Yes he has some success...but there is also a whole lot more of misses...Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, JT is a bust because we traded him...and he is not a top 6 forward, Mclrath ...the whole 2015 draft....


On Tampa he was a first liner.........Miller was
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-24 4:26 PM (#707224 - in reply to #707191)
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You can look at the glass as half full... I look at it as broken.

We are where we are b/c of poor management. Coach didn't like the type of or any of the players the personnel people were bringing. That's dysfunctional.

Optimistically I can see us having one of the worst records in the NHL again and giving us a chance for Hughes next year. Mayne we'll be smart enough to tank this time...

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Posted 2018-06-24 4:38 PM (#707225 - in reply to #707191)
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You are absolutely right! But we got rid of the dysfunctional coach. Which should make the glass look half full.
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Posted 2018-06-24 4:59 PM (#707226 - in reply to #707191)
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All I really know is we've had five 1st rounders in 2 years. 3 forwards and 2 D. Add in the 4 top prospects we brought in, andwe have 4 forwards and 5 defense... Bring the Ty Ronnings, Fontaines, and Gettingers of the pool, and I'm not sure how anyone can call this organization weak on prospects. Quite the contrary.

It'll be interesting where K'Andre and Lundkvist fall on the top prospect rankings depth chart come Fall.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 5:44 PM (#707229 - in reply to #707214)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2018-06-24 1:57 PM

Success means that in the draft and in your program you have more over achievers than under achievers. I'm tired of hearing about potential. And I'm just not blaming JG this goes back to Sather too. Where do you think this staff ranks as far as talent evaluators and draft success against their peers????... This organization should be in the top 5 with their financial resources but aren't even in the top 15 teams. And we have done a shiddiy job in coaching with the exception of Allaire. Look at the carousel of clowns we've had since '94. Why couldn't/wouldn't a Babcock or a Quenville or a Suter coach here? Is it the system? Ownership? Personally IMHO I think they should sell the team The Dolan's have not had much success at MSG.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 6:33 PM (#707233 - in reply to #707221)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-06-24 6:20 PM

NYR # 1 - 2018-06-24 8:53 AM

I like this Miller kid a lot based on what I have seen and read. Seems to have very big potential upside to be a stud if he gets there. I don't like having to give up a 2nd to move up 4 spots to 22, but I like what I have read on the player.

Overall to me good or bad hard to get on the players we picked right now. No one really knows how they will pan out/if they will pan out. I don't like the value Gorton got in this draft though, that is my issue. I don't think that part can be debated. A lot of that will be forgotten though if we get a group of really good players out of this draft. Time will tell.




Be careful, we get accosted for reading things in here!


hahaha EASILY
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-06-24 6:42 PM (#707235 - in reply to #707191)
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I think the Rangers love the Miller name. How many Millers played for the Rangers since the 80s.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 6:48 PM (#707236 - in reply to #707235)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-06-24 8:42 PM

I think the Rangers love the Miller name. How many Millers played for the Rangers since the 80s.

hahaha many ...Kelly, Kevin, JT, Key Andre maybe
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-25 9:58 AM (#707260 - in reply to #707191)
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I hope he turns into the next Dust Byfuglien
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Posted 2018-06-25 10:04 AM (#707261 - in reply to #707191)
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I don't get where this kid is a project. He's not NHL ready but it's almost unheard of for an 18 year old to be NHL ready. He's been a standout in every game I've seen him in.

Also, here's your physical defensive defenseman, who also checks all my boxes - he can skate and move the puck too.

Paid a decent price to move up and take him, but just consider that second round pick that we traded away has something like a 9% chance of playing 100 games in the NHL. Miller will make you forget all about that pick.

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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-25 10:52 AM (#707262 - in reply to #707191)
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So who was going to take him between 23 and 25?
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Posted 2018-06-25 12:12 PM (#707267 - in reply to #707262)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2018-06-25 6:52 PM

So who was going to take him between 23 and 25?

Unless you talk to the teams with those picks, you're never getting a credible answer.

So what's the point in asking the question?
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-25 12:58 PM (#707270 - in reply to #707191)
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Because I don't believe he was a first round pick let alone worthy of trading up and burning a second round pick. You would only move up to do that if you knew someone else was going to take a pick that you had to have. So were the ducks wild or blues going to nab him withe their 1st rd pick?

It's a stretch
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Posted 2018-06-25 2:46 PM (#707279 - in reply to #707270)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2018-06-25 8:58 PM

Because I don't believe he was a first round pick let alone worthy of trading up and burning a second round pick. You would only move up to do that if you knew someone else was going to take a pick that you had to have. So were the ducks wild or blues going to nab him withe their 1st rd pick?

It's a stretch

It's certainly your right not to believe it.
I can't say it's unthinkable. I mean when you look at the picks till then...there were several head-scratching choices.
The original lists and rankings went a bit out of the window.

So who the heck knows? The Rangers wanted this guy and they got him. That's the bottom line.
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2018-06-25 3:17 PM (#707280 - in reply to #707191)
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I wish the best for the kid but will scratch my head until I understand the wisdom of their pics.
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robstones
Posted 2018-06-25 3:30 PM (#707281 - in reply to #707191)
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The Wild and Ottawa both took defense with their picks.

If we want to take Bob McKenzies rankings to heart, he had Miller ranked #24
Craig Button's mock draft had The Wild taking K'Andre at #24, also. As well as having Ottawa take a dman with their original pick of #22.

very possible that K'Andre is off the board before 26
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-25 3:39 PM (#707282 - in reply to #707191)
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Miller is a MN kid....I bet the Wild was gonna take him
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