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Steady Eddie
Posted 2018-07-28 10:47 AM (#708220)
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New York Rangers General Manager Jeff Gorton announced today that the team has agreed to terms with restricted free agent defenseman Brady Skjei on a six-year contract.


https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-agree-to-terms-with-brady-s...

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Steady Eddie
Posted 2018-07-28 10:50 AM (#708221 - in reply to #708220)
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I'm hearing a six-year deal worth $31.5 million. $5.25 million per season.


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Posted 2018-07-28 11:35 AM (#708223 - in reply to #708220)
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2018/07/28/rangers-defense...
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Posted 2018-07-28 11:59 AM (#708224 - in reply to #708220)
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I am okay with no bridge deal, but the AAV seems a touch high to me. I would have preferred McDonagh range, 4.7 maybe max 4.9 given the higher cap now versus when McDonagh was resigned. Not going to flip out over an extra 400 K per season +/- though. Overall decent move. He is a solid #2 type dman I think and should improve a little over the next 2 years.


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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-28 2:53 PM (#708225 - in reply to #708220)
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I had to go to Elliot Freidmans twitter to find out the money part....Neither article above mention it.....I also read there that Quinn Hughes is going back to Michigan...could be interesting down the road
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Posted 2018-07-29 7:37 AM (#708226 - in reply to #708220)
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5,25 is WAAAAAAYYY too much for him... I am sorry but a younger version of Boyle.. and bigger version of MDZ is NOT a good investment at 5.25 for SIX years... sorry...11 million tied up with ****tenkirk and Skeji .. BOTH cant play D... wow... add the 5 plus for Smith and you have over 15 million in 3 guys who cant play D... Gorton I think is throwing money at the kids because Vessey is not wort 2 plus million either.. .this is a mistake..not saying massive.. but certainly a mistake... 3.5 MAYBE... but 5.25... wow.. no way
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Posted 2018-07-29 8:19 AM (#708227 - in reply to #708226)
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Beezer34 - 2018-07-29 6:37 AM

5,25 is WAAAAAAYYY too much for him... I am sorry but a younger version of Boyle.. and bigger version of MDZ is NOT a good investment at 5.25 for SIX years... sorry...11 million tied up with ****tenkirk and Skeji .. BOTH cant play D... wow... add the 5 plus for Smith and you have over 15 million in 3 guys who cant play D... Gorton I think is throwing money at the kids because Vessey is not wort 2 plus million either.. .this is a mistake..not saying massive.. but certainly a mistake... 3.5 MAYBE... but 5.25... wow.. no way





I'm not liking much about this deal, to much money to much term. It's more like a contract he should have got next year after proving this upcoming season, on a one year deal, he's truly got the goods. He left a lot of questions about his ceiling after last season. Granted the system sucked, but Skjei struggled all season with a lot of basic duties. Its been compared to Mcdonagh's deal coming out of the entry level contract although more money, and Skjei's performance so far is not even close to Mcdonagh's, who was the anchor of the Rangers defense when he signed. Skjei is being rewarded for what he might be, McDonagh was rewarded for what he was. Should have got a one year bridge, play well and then get this contract, have another year like last season and they might not even want him.
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Posted 2018-07-29 8:37 AM (#708228 - in reply to #708220)
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You can't base the contract on the last half of last season. The totality of the past two seasons + the role he'll have to play here warrents the pay. It's either you sign him, or you don't. He's going to be a top 4 guy here for the next 6 seasons..... If they are going to re-sign him, that's what you are admitting.... call him a Boyle or lesser McD or whatever you want to call the 24 year old.... but he's a top 4 top pair potential defenseman. He was better than McDonagh for stretches..... and he wasn't reliable at all for others (mostly the last half of the season)

But it's either you think the coaching change will make a difference in player and team preformance, or you don't, too. They fired AV for a reason. Fans here were calling for it all season for a reason. There has to be some faith that this coach will bring out the best in at least some of these players.
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Posted 2018-07-29 9:22 AM (#708229 - in reply to #708220)
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The contract is very similar to the McD contract with some inflation. McD signed his 5 years ago - 2013. Skjie can be traded the first 3 years and then he has to provide 10 teams for the last 3 years, same as McD. The Rangers now have his prime years and if they want to deal him they can. This is a good signing for a top pair guy. I am not worried about last seasons shyt show at all.
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Posted 2018-07-29 9:31 AM (#708230 - in reply to #708220)
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I agree. It was absolutely the right move to make I think. The whole D was a disaster under AV. You cannot knock AV for everything, then dismiss that when commenting on how Skjei played the 2nd half of last season. There has to be some balance there I think. To me this was the right move. Maybe 400 K too much +/-, but that is nothing to make a big deal about. This is a solid move for a young guy who should continue to grow. We bought out 3 UFA years, so the cost goes up a little. There is risk here, but the reward outweighs it I believe, just like it did with McDonagh. And 2018 cap money is higher than 2013 cap money, hence the extra AAV for Skjei. Now I don't think Skjei has shown what McDonagh did when we signed him in 2013, which is why I think it is 400 K +/- too much, but that is not some huge issue I don't believe. Solid move. Now we focus on Hayes.



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Posted 2018-07-29 10:11 AM (#708231 - in reply to #708220)
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Is there a risk? Of course... but does the 3.5 vs 5.2 make it the risk? BS is eithergoing to play like a top 4 d man or he is going to bust and get buried in the minors.... either way I am more concerned about Shlttenkirs' contract and value and where are we gong to find the rest of the D squad Right now there is not enough info to believe in any of them.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-29 10:25 AM (#708232 - in reply to #708231)
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2nd pair guys will be paid more than this in a few seasons...Skjei is 24 6'3" and 211 and skates like the wind....you dont give up on talent like that
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Posted 2018-07-29 11:03 AM (#708233 - in reply to #708220)
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Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy. He’s getting it based on Gorton assuming he’s going to be a lot better than up til now. The difference between him and McDonagh at the time of signing their post entry level contracts is McDonagh was a number one dman. Skjei is still very much still finding his identity and ceiling, no proven talent comparison on Skjei behalf whatsoever. Not even close. He had a good rookie season and a bad sophomore season. I like Skjei and see his potential, but do not agree with that contract.
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Posted 2018-07-29 2:13 PM (#708234 - in reply to #708233)
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Rranger - 2018-07-29 7:03 PM

Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy.

Yeah...cuz that's how it works with bridge contracts and all that.
No way that same deal is on the table after one-year bridge season where he proves himself worthy of top-4 D with top pair potential.
Utter nonsense. He'd be commanding 6.5+ per.

Of course he's getting paid for what he might be. You're buying UFA years + the future progress on the growth curve.

Also, people seem to forget what a fantastic deal it was when the Rangers signed McD.
That's not something you achieve every year.
So please stop comparing Skjei's deal to the one McD signed like it's some sort of norm.

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Posted 2018-07-29 2:34 PM (#708235 - in reply to #708234)
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DaTeL - 2018-07-29 4:13 PM

Rranger - 2018-07-29 7:03 PM

Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy.

Yeah...cuz that's how it works with bridge contracts and all that.
No way that same deal is on the table after one-year bridge season where he proves himself worthy of top-4 D with top pair potential.
Utter nonsense. He'd be commanding 6.5+ per.

Of course he's getting paid for what he might be. You're buying UFA years + the future progress on the growth curve.

Also, people seem to forget what a fantastic deal it was when the Rangers signed McD.
That's not something you achieve every year.
So please stop comparing Skjei's deal to the one McD signed like it's some sort of norm.


Well said Pav!

Need you around here more often.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-29 6:01 PM (#708236 - in reply to #708234)
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DaTeL - 2018-07-29 4:13 PM

Rranger - 2018-07-29 7:03 PM

Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy.

Yeah...cuz that's how it works with bridge contracts and all that.
No way that same deal is on the table after one-year bridge season where he proves himself worthy of top-4 D with top pair potential.
Utter nonsense. He'd be commanding 6.5+ per.

Of course he's getting paid for what he might be. You're buying UFA years + the future progress on the growth curve.

Also, people seem to forget what a fantastic deal it was when the Rangers signed McD.
That's not something you achieve every year.
So please stop comparing Skjei's deal to the one McD signed like it's some sort of norm.


It’s a good deal because like Mac...we can trade Skjei in year 5 no problem
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Posted 2018-07-29 7:03 PM (#708237 - in reply to #708234)
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DaTeL - 2018-07-29 1:13 PM

Rranger - 2018-07-29 7:03 PM

Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy.

Yeah...cuz that's how it works with bridge contracts and all that.
No way that same deal is on the table after one-year bridge season where he proves himself worthy of top-4 D with top pair potential.
Utter nonsense. He'd be commanding 6.5+ per.

Of course he's getting paid for what he might be. You're buying UFA years + the future progress on the growth curve.

Also, people seem to forget what a fantastic deal it was when the Rangers signed McD.
That's not something you achieve every year.
So please stop comparing Skjei's deal to the one McD signed like it's some sort of norm.





We can disagree on Skjei being worth $6,500,000 next season IMO that's utter nonsense, if he took a bridge deal this year, unless he won a Norris trophy. He's got a few parts of his game to improve on first. He's still a young guy making his way. If he has a good solid year he's in the $5,250,000 he is getting to maybe even $6,000,000 per for 5 years. He wouldn't sign for 6 years if he took a bridge deal this year. Take a look at players earning $6,500,000 per year and Skjei would have to truly be fantastic to reach that salary after one great year. Gorton would be making a bigger mistake if he did that. Drew Doughty is coming off a $7,000,000 per contract, Skjei’s got a long ways to go.
If he signed a one year bridge at $4,000,000 and then a 5 year at a more realistic $5,750,000 thats only $32,750,000 total pocket change in difference and you have a lot more certainty on his abilities after his bridge show me contract. If he doesn't have a real good year then whats he worth? No more than what he's getting on his new contract. No loss there.
Even if he has a breakout year and got $6 mill per for 5 years plus his $4,000,000 per bridge deal that's only $34,000,000 total compared to the $31,500,000 he's getting now. And the Rangers would have a lot better handle on what they have. If they don't like what they see next year they can still move him. Do I see that happening no I don't, but I'd rather see another year out of him before this contract.
Any comparable to Mcdonagh is one of signing a long term extension off the entry level contract, and the comparison of value to the team which there is very little, McDonagh having been miles ahead on the development scale.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-29 7:15 PM (#708238 - in reply to #708237)
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Rranger - 2018-07-29 9:03 PM

DaTeL - 2018-07-29 1:13 PM

Rranger - 2018-07-29 7:03 PM

Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy.

Yeah...cuz that's how it works with bridge contracts and all that.
No way that same deal is on the table after one-year bridge season where he proves himself worthy of top-4 D with top pair potential.
Utter nonsense. He'd be commanding 6.5+ per.

Of course he's getting paid for what he might be. You're buying UFA years + the future progress on the growth curve.

Also, people seem to forget what a fantastic deal it was when the Rangers signed McD.
That's not something you achieve every year.
So please stop comparing Skjei's deal to the one McD signed like it's some sort of norm.





We can disagree on Skjei being worth $6,500,000 next season IMO that's utter nonsense, if he took a bridge deal this year, unless he won a Norris trophy. He's got a few parts of his game to improve on first. He's still a young guy making his way. If he has a good solid year he's in the $5,250,000 he is getting to maybe even $6,000,000 per for 5 years. He wouldn't sign for 6 years if he took a bridge deal this year. Take a look at players earning $6,500,000 per year and Skjei would have to truly be fantastic to reach that salary after one great year. Gorton would be making a bigger mistake if he did that. Drew Doughty is coming off a $7,000,000 per contract, Skjei got a long ways to go.
If he signed a one year bridge at $4,000,000 and then a 5 year at a more realistic $5,750,000 thats only $32,750,000 total pocket change in difference and you have a lot more certainty on his abilities after his bridge show me contract. If he doesn't have a real good year then whats he worth? No more than what he's getting on his new contract. No loss there.
Even if he has a breakout year and got $6 mill per for 5 years plus his $4,000,000 per bridge deal that's only $34,000,000 total compared to the $31,500,000 he's getting now. And the Rangers would have a lot better handle on what they have. If they don't like what they see next year they can still move him. him. Do I see that happening no I don't, but I'd rather see another year out of him before this contract.
Any comparable to Mcdonagh is one of signing a long term extension off the entry level contract, and the comparison of value to the team which there is very little Mc
donagh having been miles ahead in the development scale.

Well said R...100% spot on as usual
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Posted 2018-07-29 8:09 PM (#708239 - in reply to #708220)
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Me personally I don't really care about the total package, I really only care about the cap hit. I rather have Skjei at 5,250 than 5,750 or 6 mill per obviously. Sure there is some risk signing him now as opposed to waiting one year, but I think it was worth the risk. He is a good solid dman. I think a # 2 type dman, and worst case I think a 2nd pair dman. Even if he ended up being more of a # 3 dman I don't think that cap hit is crazy. Given our current situation and looking to build with youth, I like this move even if the cap hit is a little high (would have preferred 4.9 +/-).



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Posted 2018-07-30 9:53 AM (#708240 - in reply to #708220)
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We'll look at this way. You could have given Tom Wilson that contract instead.
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Posted 2018-07-30 11:30 AM (#708241 - in reply to #708235)
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Mandar - 2018-07-29 10:34 PM

DaTeL - 2018-07-29 4:13 PM

Rranger - 2018-07-29 7:03 PM

Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy.

Yeah...cuz that's how it works with bridge contracts and all that.
No way that same deal is on the table after one-year bridge season where he proves himself worthy of top-4 D with top pair potential.
Utter nonsense. He'd be commanding 6.5+ per.

Of course he's getting paid for what he might be. You're buying UFA years + the future progress on the growth curve.

Also, people seem to forget what a fantastic deal it was when the Rangers signed McD.
That's not something you achieve every year.
So please stop comparing Skjei's deal to the one McD signed like it's some sort of norm.


Well said Pav!

Need you around here more often.

Hard thing, Mike...the number of asylum runaways posting here is a bit high the past few years.
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Posted 2018-07-30 12:58 PM (#708243 - in reply to #708240)
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Vua - 2018-07-30 10:53 AM

We'll look at this way. You could have given Tom Wilson that contract instead.


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Posted 2018-07-30 1:58 PM (#708244 - in reply to #708241)
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DaTeL - 2018-07-30 10:30 AM

Mandar - 2018-07-29 10:34 PM

DaTeL - 2018-07-29 4:13 PM

Rranger - 2018-07-29 7:03 PM

Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy.

Yeah...cuz that's how it works with bridge contracts and all that.
No way that same deal is on the table after one-year bridge season where he proves himself worthy of top-4 D with top pair potential.
Utter nonsense. He'd be commanding 6.5+ per.

Of course he's getting paid for what he might be. You're buying UFA years + the future progress on the growth curve.

Also, people seem to forget what a fantastic deal it was when the Rangers signed McD.
That's not something you achieve every year.
So please stop comparing Skjei's deal to the one McD signed like it's some sort of norm.


Well said Pav!

Need you around here more often.

Hard thing, Mike...the number of asylum runaways posting here is a bit high the past few years.




That’s all you got? Criticize a post get criticized back, and this. HaHaHaHa.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-30 2:11 PM (#708245 - in reply to #708244)
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Rranger - 2018-07-30 3:58 PM

DaTeL - 2018-07-30 10:30 AM

Mandar - 2018-07-29 10:34 PM

DaTeL - 2018-07-29 4:13 PM

Rranger - 2018-07-29 7:03 PM

Skjei is getting paid for what he might be. Could have easily bridged him and paid him the same contract after next season, if his play judges him worthy.

Yeah...cuz that's how it works with bridge contracts and all that.
No way that same deal is on the table after one-year bridge season where he proves himself worthy of top-4 D with top pair potential.
Utter nonsense. He'd be commanding 6.5+ per.

Of course he's getting paid for what he might be. You're buying UFA years + the future progress on the growth curve.

Also, people seem to forget what a fantastic deal it was when the Rangers signed McD.
That's not something you achieve every year.
So please stop comparing Skjei's deal to the one McD signed like it's some sort of norm.


Well said Pav!

Need you around here more often.

Hard thing, Mike...the number of asylum runaways posting here is a bit high the past few years.




That’s all you got? Criticize a post get criticized back, and this. HaHaHaHa.

hahahaha Well said R
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-30 4:52 PM (#708247 - in reply to #708220)
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I read... that Kevin Hayes has signed a 1 year deal for 5.125
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Posted 2018-07-31 1:18 AM (#708260 - in reply to #708244)
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Rranger - 2018-07-30 9:58 PM

That’s all you got? Criticize a post get criticized back, and this. HaHaHaHa.

Ummm...no?

I was replying to Mike's post, not yours. Bright mind like yours certainly is able to recognize it.
So you can think I either LOST the argument to you because you simply steamrolled me with your logic and crushed my spirit...or I just don't consider the debate worthy of my time.

Either way...I could not care less.

But...I will go on public record here and apologize for interrupting your flow here. I'll let you get back to it along with the resident cheerleader and quintessence of hysteria Mikey Red.
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Posted 2018-07-31 8:13 AM (#708261 - in reply to #708260)
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https://youtu.be/38Vun2LYnoY
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Posted 2018-07-31 8:24 AM (#708263 - in reply to #708260)
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DaTeL - 2018-07-31 3:18 AM

Rranger - 2018-07-30 9:58 PM

That’s all you got? Criticize a post get criticized back, and this. HaHaHaHa.

Ummm...no?

I was replying to Mike's post, not yours. Bright mind like yours certainly is able to recognize it.
So you can think I either LOST the argument to you because you simply steamrolled me with your logic and crushed my spirit...or I just don't consider the debate worthy of my time.

Either way...I could not care less.

But...I will go on public record here and apologize for interrupting your flow here. I'll let you get back to it along with the resident cheerleader and quintessence of hysteria Mikey Red.


Ahhh...the wise woodpecker is such a refreshing presence here.
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Posted 2018-07-31 8:24 AM (#708264 - in reply to #708260)
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DaTeL - 2018-07-31 12:18 AM

Rranger - 2018-07-30 9:58 PM

That’s all you got? Criticize a post get criticized back, and this. HaHaHaHa.

Ummm...no?

I was replying to Mike's post, not yours. Bright mind like yours certainly is able to recognize it.
So you can think I either LOST the argument to you because you simply steamrolled me with your logic and crushed my spirit...or I just don't consider the debate worthy of my time.

Either way...I could not care less.

But...I will go on public record here and apologize for interrupting your flow here. I'll let you get back to it along with the resident cheerleader and quintessence of hysteria Mikey Red.






Nobody said anything about losing a argument except you. Bright minds like yours should recognize that. Another one who dishes it out and gets his shorts in a knot when he gets it thrown back. Tsk, Tsk. No need to apologize it is what it is.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-31 8:38 AM (#708265 - in reply to #708220)
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Posted 2018-07-31 9:14 AM (#708268 - in reply to #708220)
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Do you find it interesting that you always seem to be the guy in the middle of this stuff Rranger? I don't see any other posters bickering or even having to think about getting their shorts in a knot. Sure that is just a big coincidence though.


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Posted 2018-07-31 9:21 AM (#708270 - in reply to #708220)
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I disagree on the Skjei being paid for what he might be, comment.

He's a top 4 defenseman on pretty much any team in the league, with top pair potential. 5.25 million isn't top pair money.... what he might be is better than 5.25.

So, if we want to compare it to McD, it could absolutely be considered a deal if Skjei brings a consistant game. Considering an ever raising cap this could end up being a discount much as McD was.

Otherwise 5 million is on par with a 2nd pair LD. If we want to compare it to another Rangers contract..... it's half a million less than Staal
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Posted 2018-07-31 9:28 AM (#708271 - in reply to #708270)
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robstones - 2018-07-31 11:21 AM

I disagree on the Skjei being paid for what he might be, comment.

He's a top 4 defenseman on pretty much any team in the league, with top pair potential. 5.25 million isn't top pair money.... what he might be is better than 5.25.

So, if we want to compare it to McD, it could absolutely be considered a deal if Skjei brings a consistant game. Considering an ever raising cap this could end up being a discount much as McD was.

Otherwise 5 million is on par with a 2nd pair LD. If we want to compare it to another Rangers contract..... it's half a million less than Staal

Skjei will be underpaid in a few seasons
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Posted 2018-07-31 10:37 AM (#708273 - in reply to #708268)
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Go NYR - 2018-07-31 8:14 AM

Do you find it interesting that you always seem to be the guy in the middle of this stuff Rranger? I don't see any other posters bickering or even having to think about getting their shorts in a knot. Sure that is just a big coincidence though.








I find it more interesting your always whining about something Shatty.
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Posted 2018-07-31 11:19 AM (#708274 - in reply to #708270)
Subject: Re: Brady Skjei Resigned



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robstones - 2018-07-31 10:21 AM

I disagree on the Skjei being paid for what he might be, comment.

He's a top 4 defenseman on pretty much any team in the league, with top pair potential. 5.25 million isn't top pair money.... what he might be is better than 5.25.

So, if we want to compare it to McD, it could absolutely be considered a deal if Skjei brings a consistant game. Considering an ever raising cap this could end up being a discount much as McD was.

Otherwise 5 million is on par with a 2nd pair LD. If we want to compare it to another Rangers contract..... it's half a million less than Staal


Spot on. Contracts in this age range are always given out on potential, not on accomplishments. At about 30, it flips.
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