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Fish
Posted 2018-08-01 10:37 AM (#708308)
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https://nypost.com/2018/07/31/rangers-gm-completes-internal-housecle...

Chris Kreider-Mika Zibanejad-Pavel Buchnevich
Ryan Spooner-Filip Chytil-Mats Zuccarello
Vladislav Namestnikov-Lias Andersson-Ville Meskanen
Jimmy Vesey-Kevin Hayes-Jesper Fast

Extra: Cody McLeod

Brady Skjei-Kevin Shattenkirk
Marc Staal-Neal Pionk
Brendan Smith-Tony DeAngelo

Extra: Fredrik Claesson

Henrik Lundqvist
Alexandar Georgeiv

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-01 11:11 AM (#708310 - in reply to #708308)
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So Howden doesnt make the team per Brooks?...and Hayes will not be the 4th line center....What if Hijak is better than Pionk or TD?
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Posted 2018-08-01 11:11 AM (#708311 - in reply to #708308)
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They just gave $5+ million to Hayes and are playing him on the 4th line? They can't do that whether the want to keep him or trade him, you destroy his value. He may get moved to wing to make room for a younger center but he won't be dropped in the lineup.
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Posted 2018-08-01 11:17 AM (#708313 - in reply to #708308)
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Beleskey will be in the lineup also most likely
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Posted 2018-08-01 11:41 AM (#708314 - in reply to #708308)
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I read the lines as not in order...but what do I know. Sure have a lot of centers though, including Namestnikov and Spooner who both can play there
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Posted 2018-08-01 12:10 PM (#708315 - in reply to #708311)
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Vua - 2018-08-01 1:11 PM

They just gave $5+ million to Hayes and are playing him on the 4th line? They can't do that whether the want to keep him or trade him, you destroy his value. He may get moved to wing to make room for a younger center but he won't be dropped in the lineup.
I love Hayes...but he just doesn't cut it as a wing....he'd be better served sitting in the press box.

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Posted 2018-08-01 5:38 PM (#708323 - in reply to #708308)
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robstones - 2018-07-01 5:00 PM

Kreider Zibanejad Zuccarello
Namestnikov Chytil Buchnevich
Spooner Andersson Meskanen
Vesey Hayes Fast

Skjei Shattenkirk
Staal Pionk
Claesson DeAngelo

Lundqvist
Georgiev

pending surprises in camp or further trades or signings.


Was my last prediction a month ago from the Summer thread
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Posted 2018-08-01 6:25 PM (#708324 - in reply to #708308)
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Makes sense. The roster that is, not the lines.

Not surprised if Gilmour doesn’t make it.

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Posted 2018-08-02 2:52 AM (#708326 - in reply to #708308)
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DeAngelo sucks and has ZERO chance of making this team IMO. I expect either Lindgren or Hajek to make it. Unless clueless AV, I don't think our new coach is going to give a crap about the righty/lefty thing.
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Posted 2018-08-02 6:47 AM (#708330 - in reply to #708326)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-08-02 4:52 AM

DeAngelo sucks and has ZERO chance of making this team IMO. I expect either Lindgren or Hajek to make it. Unless clueless AV, I don't think our new coach is going to give a crap about the righty/lefty thing.

That trade gets worse everyday... I would love to see Hijak and Lindgren make it
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Posted 2018-08-02 9:14 AM (#708333 - in reply to #708330)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 5:47 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2018-08-02 4:52 AM

DeAngelo sucks and has ZERO chance of making this team IMO. I expect either Lindgren or Hajek to make it. Unless clueless AV, I don't think our new coach is going to give a crap about the righty/lefty thing.

That trade gets worse everyday... I would love to see Hijak and Lindgren make it






Like it or not DeAngelo probably starts the season in NY unless he has a terrible camp. But it will be his big audition and if he doesn’t cut it with Quinn he would likely be traded soon after. To summarize his performance so far I don’t think anyone really knows what he’s all about. You lean towards not very effective, but that’s based on boy wonders coaching and deployment, which wasn’t overly effective with most Ranger players last season. That being said you have to find a way to put your best foot forward no matter what the excuse, and reality is more than a few Ranger players didn’t last season.
If Quinn is a effective NHL coach then DeAngelo and many other player question marks will be answered. You want players putting their best foot forward no matter what the excuse. Its also very very hard to evaluate players who are lost in the abyss of no direction. Quinn needs to create a system and environment that players can play to their best potential, and if their not good enough at least you know.

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Posted 2018-08-02 10:41 AM (#708334 - in reply to #708308)
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I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out
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Posted 2018-08-02 2:24 PM (#708341 - in reply to #708308)
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I don't think DeAngelo is in that 6th spot because of anything but the depth chart.

I'd like to see Hajek and Lindgren make the team, too.... but untill they prove themselves in camp, DeAngelo's name is there. Could've put Smith in, but he was god aweful last year.... he could definitely bring his game back up to a good level, though. That would be huge for the defense, if Smith returns to the level of play they signed him at.

Meskanen had a good prospect camp, so his name is penciled in on the wing. Otherwise it's who earns it.... Meskanen looks good so far, though.... Howden could easily prove to be better, though.... Ronning... who knows?
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Posted 2018-08-02 2:55 PM (#708344 - in reply to #708308)
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There is some tape out there with Lindgren trying to hit people but missing....So I think he will prob need a year in Hartford....Hijak might be ready now....If Meskanen makes it then prob Lias doesnt ...If Beleskey is in shape and ready to play he will be on the team too
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Posted 2018-08-02 3:01 PM (#708345 - in reply to #708308)
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That leaves 3 spots for Beleskey, McCleod maybe Chytil, Lias, Meskanen, Ronning
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Posted 2018-08-02 7:17 PM (#708346 - in reply to #708308)
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Belesky has 8 pts in the last two seasons..... all of which were in the 2016-2017 season.... he's not making the team.

McCleod will. But he will be the healthy scratch most nights. Chytil and Lias aren't sure shots, but they have a better chance than Belesky. Not just because of talent, but the idea of rebuilding is to get your top prospects experience....

So, I hate to break it to ya, Mike.... Lias is a New York Ranger.

Howden has a better chance than Belesky
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Posted 2018-08-02 7:41 PM (#708350 - in reply to #708308)
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Haha I hope he is....What if Howden is better than Lias? I think Howden is better than Lias right now...6'2' 200 lb is good size too...Beleskey absolutely will be on this team before McCleod...Beleskey can play hockey....McCleod cannot
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Posted 2018-08-03 7:33 AM (#708356 - in reply to #708350)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............
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Posted 2018-08-03 8:03 AM (#708359 - in reply to #708356)
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Mandar - 2018-08-03 9:33 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

Cuz Lias should have been a 3rd rounder....Middlestat, Tippet or Vilardi could have and should have been taken.....Im losing faith in the FO...Gordie has to be sent away and Gorton needs to be in full control of the draft...A goalie in Rd 2? Too many Euros
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Posted 2018-08-03 8:18 AM (#708360 - in reply to #708359)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-03 10:03 AM

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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

Cuz Lias should have been a 3rd rounder....Middlestat, Tippet or Vilardi could have and should have been taken.....Im losing faith in the FO...Gordie has to be sent away and Gorton needs to be in full control of the draft...A goalie in Rd 2? Too many Euros


Such astute analysis as to why you think Howden is better than Lias. You never fail to live down to expectations.

Stupid is as stupid does....way to go Forrest!
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Posted 2018-08-03 8:50 AM (#708362 - in reply to #708360)
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Mandar - 2018-08-03 10:18 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-03 10:03 AM

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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

Cuz Lias should have been a 3rd rounder....Middlestat, Tippet or Vilardi could have and should have been taken.....Im losing faith in the FO...Gordie has to be sent away and Gorton needs to be in full control of the draft...A goalie in Rd 2? Too many Euros


Such astute analysis as to why you think Howden is better than Lias. You never fail to live down to expectations.

Stupid is as stupid does....way to go Forrest!

Thanks...
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Posted 2018-08-03 9:15 AM (#708363 - in reply to #708334)
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Fish - 2018-08-02 12:41 PM

I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out


Agreed on Vigneault. I don't expect any of the players to come out of their AV shell and perform any better than we've already seen.

As for Tony D, I'd like to see him used on the wing. At least in preseason.

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Posted 2018-08-03 9:32 AM (#708364 - in reply to #708363)
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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-03 11:15 AM

Fish - 2018-08-02 12:41 PM

I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out


Agreed on Vigneault. I don't expect any of the players to come out of their AV shell and perform any better than we've already seen.

As for Tony D, I'd like to see him used on the wing. At least in preseason.


Definitely...his offensive gifts are too good
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Posted 2018-08-03 10:01 AM (#708367 - in reply to #708363)
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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-03 5:15 PM

Fish - 2018-08-02 12:41 PM

I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out


Agreed on Vigneault. I don't expect any of the players to come out of their AV shell and perform any better than we've already seen.

As for Tony D, I'd like to see him used on the wing. At least in preseason.


The transition is quite difficult. I'm not sure Tony D would make it.
Maybe my memory is fading but as I recall, we tried this with MDZ right? Didn't work out all that well.

I think Tony D will be gone next off season at the latest.
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Posted 2018-08-03 10:58 AM (#708372 - in reply to #708356)
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Mandar - 2018-08-03 9:33 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-rankings-... Where is Lias? guess what 3 kids are on this list
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Posted 2018-08-03 11:06 AM (#708373 - in reply to #708308)
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Moving players between D and Wing pretty much never works out. If they can't figure out their own position how are they supposed to figure out a new one.

There are exceptions of course, but those are decisions are driven by the fact that the player is exceptionally talented in addition to the team having position imbalances to the point where it doesn't make sense to keep your exceptional player off the ice. (Byfuglien, Burns).

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Posted 2018-08-03 12:19 PM (#708375 - in reply to #708372)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-03 12:58 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-rankings-... Where is Lias? guess what 3 kids are on this list


Using the Sporting News as some sort of reference source??







Still waiting on your analysis of how Howden is better than Lias now. Or are you waiting for your buddies to give you your opinions?
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Posted 2018-08-03 12:59 PM (#708379 - in reply to #708308)
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https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/232712/brett-howden

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/214318/lias-andersson
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Posted 2018-08-03 1:09 PM (#708380 - in reply to #708379)
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As you deleted your last note with another article.....

I ask (for the third time) why you say that Howden is better right now than Lias. All you have offered up is some sort of convoluted "he should have been a 3rd rounder" reasoning, and have supplied various articles (wonder where Baseball Digest has him ranked - just as credible a hockey source as the Sporting News). You offer no reasoning about Howden's skill sets (obviously because you have never seen him play) compare to Lias....just a "Howden is better right now".

Now, we all know you are waiting for your buddies to give you your opinion here....but you would think you could offer up something more than 'the Sporting News doesn't have Lias on their list"....at least until they come to your rescue.
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As you deleted your last note with another article.....

I ask (for the third time) why you say that Howden is better right now than Lias. All you have offered up is some sort of convoluted "he should have been a 3rd rounder" reasoning, and have supplied various articles (wonder where Baseball Digest has him ranked - just as credible a hockey source as the Sporting News). You offer no reasoning about Howden's skill sets (obviously because you have never seen him play) compare to Lias....just a "Howden is better right now".

Now, we all know you are waiting for your buddies to give you your opinion here....but you would think you could offer up something more than 'the Sporting News doesn't have Lias on their list"....at least until they come to your rescue.

Yeah I figured this would be easier....EASILY....Never said SN was the be all end all....itd just the latest list out there.....I went to Canada last winter and watched every game Howden played....He is the goods But Lias at the #7 was a mistake
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It's like you're comparing apples to oranges, in this case, WHL stats to SEL stats. If you ask me, I'll take the kid who's been playing with adults. But if you want to look up stats, look up Gropp or Tambelinni's WHL stats, especially in the WHL playoffs. Better than Howden's playoff stats, but where are they today? Bottom line: You should save your opinion until after camp. It's a new coach and there are a lot of players in the mix that people forget, like Nieves, Lettieri and Kampfer. All college pedigree. I'll bet no one on this site guesses the opening lineup.

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Posted 2018-08-03 2:21 PM (#708385 - in reply to #708384)
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It's like you're comparing apples to oranges, in this case, WHL stats to SEL stats. If you ask me, I'll take the kid who's been playing with adults. But if you want to look up stats, look up Gropp or Tambelinni's WHL stats, especially in the WHL playoffs. Better than Howden's playoff stats, but where are they today? Bottom line: You should save your opinion until after camp. It's a new coach and there are a lot of players in the mix that people forget, like Nieves, Lettieri and Kampfer. All college pedigree. I'll bet no one on this site guesses the opening lineup.


Yep you are right about leagues and we will see....The SEL aint all that tho...Gropp blossomed playing with Barzal and the stupid FO couldnt see that...Howden was a 1st round pick and the Captain of his team and plays really well...I am hopeful for him....Tambellini was a 3rd rounder and I believe Gropp was a 2nd rounder
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As you deleted your last note with another article.....

I ask (for the third time) why you say that Howden is better right now than Lias. All you have offered up is some sort of convoluted "he should have been a 3rd rounder" reasoning, and have supplied various articles (wonder where Baseball Digest has him ranked - just as credible a hockey source as the Sporting News). You offer no reasoning about Howden's skill sets (obviously because you have never seen him play) compare to Lias....just a "Howden is better right now".

Now, we all know you are waiting for your buddies to give you your opinion here....but you would think you could offer up something more than 'the Sporting News doesn't have Lias on their list"....at least until they come to your rescue.

Yeah I figured this would be easier....EASILY....Never said SN was the be all end all....itd just the latest list out there.....I went to Canada last winter and watched every game Howden played....He is the goods But Lias at the #7 was a mistake


See...I thought I would ask...so we can have a nice discussion/debate about comparing two players. I should have known better. You have proven that your opinions have no basis.....just spouted out garbage.


I certainly hope Howden is "the goods", but there is nothing I have seen that indicates whether he is or isn't....and certainly I haven't seen anything anywhere (not your impeccable sources) that indicates he is better than Lias. Thus I was trying to see where you were coming from....again, my mistake for giving you too much credit. Oh yes....get all witty about using capital letters....only your boys aren't around yet to tell you how funny you are.

Take a gander at Steady's response....that should help you.


Please regale us with your opinions on Howden….you know, from all that time you spent in Canada. At least you spelled his name right....that's pretty much all you know about the guy.
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Posted 2018-08-03 2:38 PM (#708389 - in reply to #708387)
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As you deleted your last note with another article.....

I ask (for the third time) why you say that Howden is better right now than Lias. All you have offered up is some sort of convoluted "he should have been a 3rd rounder" reasoning, and have supplied various articles (wonder where Baseball Digest has him ranked - just as credible a hockey source as the Sporting News). You offer no reasoning about Howden's skill sets (obviously because you have never seen him play) compare to Lias....just a "Howden is better right now".

Now, we all know you are waiting for your buddies to give you your opinion here....but you would think you could offer up something more than 'the Sporting News doesn't have Lias on their list"....at least until they come to your rescue.

Yeah I figured this would be easier....EASILY....Never said SN was the be all end all....itd just the latest list out there.....I went to Canada last winter and watched every game Howden played....He is the goods But Lias at the #7 was a mistake


See...I thought I would ask...so we can have a nice discussion/debate about comparing two players. I should have known better. You have proven that your opinions have no basis.....just spouted out garbage.


I certainly hope Howden is "the goods", but there is nothing I have seen that indicates whether he is or isn't....and certainly I haven't seen anything anywhere (not your impeccable sources) that indicates he is better than Lias. Thus I was trying to see where you were coming from....again, my mistake for giving you too much credit. Oh yes....get all witty about using capital letters....only your boys aren't around yet to tell you how funny you are.

Take a gander at Steady's response....that should help you.


Please regale us with your opinions on Howden….you know, from all that time you spent in Canada. At least you spelled his name right....that's pretty much all you know about the guy.

Lias at #7 was a mistake
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And thats not all... would you agree the Stepan trade was a loser? Brendan Smith acquisition was a loser? and re signing was a worse loser? Shattenkirk signing was a loser? signing and re signing Cody McCleod was a loser? Hayes a 1 year deal? Zuc still here? drafting a goalie in rd 2 and not even the top rated one either....buying out Girardi and another team scoops him up and gives him a multi year contract? FO scares me man
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