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rjpny75
Posted 2018-11-05 3:33 PM (#713253)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-11-05 3:52 PM (#713254 - in reply to #713253)
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Hmmm...Interesting...If Howden is day to day...What happens?....I doubt its a call up to just get sent back down
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Posted 2018-11-05 3:55 PM (#713255 - in reply to #713253)
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rjpny75
Posted 2018-11-05 3:58 PM (#713256 - in reply to #713253)
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I'm thinking and hoping there's a trade in the works.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-11-05 3:59 PM (#713257 - in reply to #713256)
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rjpny75 - 2018-11-05 5:58 PM

I'm thinking and hoping there's a trade in the works.

#me too
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Posted 2018-11-05 4:12 PM (#713258 - in reply to #713253)
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Howden isn't going to play next game. He got injured, and though he's day to day there's no reason for him to push himself and play through the strain. Especially when Lias has earned a look.

If he contributes, look for Lettieri to be sent down. I hope.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-11-05 4:15 PM (#713259 - in reply to #713253)
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They should of swapped Beleskey and McCleod too....There is no purpose whatsoever of having McCleod on this team....I am just not sure what game JG is watching up there
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Posted 2018-11-05 6:46 PM (#713261 - in reply to #713253)
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Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health. Could be a bit of a reward, give Andersson a taste and down he goes again when Howden is healthy. With the callup of Andersson it’s almost a given Howden sits against montreal. Already struggling to get Chytil ice time at center it makes no sense to keep Chytil and Andersson on the roster at the same time unless Hayes gets moved. Andersson will not replace McLeod, unless the Ranger braintrust like playing Chytil and Andersson 8 minutes a game. Don’t see that happening. I’m watching this one to see the PLAN the Rangers have, betting one of Chytil or Andersson will go to Hartford when Howden returns.
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rjpny75
Posted 2018-11-05 6:54 PM (#713262 - in reply to #713261)
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Rranger - 2018-11-05 8:46 PM

Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health. Could be a bit of a reward, give Andersson a taste and down he goes again when Howden is healthy. With the callup of Andersson it’s almost a given Howden sits against montreal. Already struggling to get Chytil ice time at center it makes no sense to keep Chytil and Andersson on the roster at the same time unless Hayes gets moved. Andersson will not replace McLeod, unless the Ranger braintrust like playing Chytil and Andersson 8 minutes a game. Don’t see that happening. I’m watching this one to see the PLAN the Rangers have, betting one of Chytil or Andersson will go to Hartford when Howden returns.


I hope it's Chytil they send down. Get some 1st line minutes and role. I think if Andersson out outplays him in the big show, and I mean all around game and not just points, they'll almost have to send Chytil down.

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Posted 2018-11-05 7:28 PM (#713264 - in reply to #713262)
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rjpny75 - 2018-11-05 5:54 PM

Rranger - 2018-11-05 8:46 PM

Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health. Could be a bit of a reward, give Andersson a taste and down he goes again when Howden is healthy. With the callup of Andersson it’s almost a given Howden sits against montreal. Already struggling to get Chytil ice time at center it makes no sense to keep Chytil and Andersson on the roster at the same time unless Hayes gets moved. Andersson will not replace McLeod, unless the Ranger braintrust like playing Chytil and Andersson 8 minutes a game. Don’t see that happening. I’m watching this one to see the PLAN the Rangers have, betting one of Chytil or Andersson will go to Hartford when Howden returns.


I hope it's Chytil they send down. Get some 1st line minutes and role. I think if Andersson out outplays him in the big show, and I mean all around game and not just points, they'll almost have to send Chytil down.





I’d like to see both go down til after the all star break at least. Andersson has had a good AHL start and learning to play consistently removing swings in his game. His body of work so far this season is to small to make a correct decision if he’s ready to stick. The Rangers can’t seem to protect themselves from themselves. To bring him up and send him down in the near future would be a kick in the teeth for him again. I said it before don’t bring him up til you know he’s not going back.
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Posted 2018-11-06 2:41 AM (#713265 - in reply to #713253)
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About freakin time
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Posted 2018-11-06 9:24 AM (#713278 - in reply to #713261)
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Rranger - 2018-11-05 7:46 PM

Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.

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Posted 2018-11-06 12:55 PM (#713284 - in reply to #713278)
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Rranger - 2018-11-05 7:46 PM

Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.



They may give Boo a look and send Lettieri down. He hasn't done anything this year so far other than show he's an AHLer.
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Posted 2018-11-06 1:58 PM (#713285 - in reply to #713284)
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Rranger - 2018-11-05 7:46 PM

Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.



They may give Boo a look and send Lettieri down. He hasn't done anything this year so far other than show he's an AHLer.


That is also a possibility. Although I wonder with Nieves missing so much game time, if throwing him right into NHL game speed from a month off due to concussion is the the prudent course of action.
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Posted 2018-11-06 3:46 PM (#713287 - in reply to #713285)
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concust - 2018-11-06 3:58 PM

rjpny75 - 2018-11-06 1:55 PM

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Rranger - 2018-11-05 7:46 PM

Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.



They may give Boo a look and send Lettieri down. He hasn't done anything this year so far other than show he's an AHLer.


That is also a possibility. Although I wonder with Nieves missing so much game time, if throwing him right into NHL game speed from a month off due to concussion is the the prudent course of action.

This is a good point.
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Posted 2018-11-06 3:48 PM (#713288 - in reply to #713278)
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Rranger - 2018-11-05 7:46 PM

Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.







McQuaid went on injured reserve and Andersson took his spot. The Rangers have a overload already at center severely restricting Chytil’s at center quality ice. Right now he’s fourth line center. Howden is reportedly sitting tonight, opening a center spot for Andersson. Once Howden returns, a center overload will exist again magnified by the new presence of Andersson. Sending Nieves down has zero impact on to many centres.
Unless of course the Rangers like playing Chytil 6-8 minutes a game so much they are going to put Andersson on on his wing, and play him 6-8 minutes a night also. That I would expect after the way those two have been handled. But if Gorton remains true to his word one of Chytil or Andersson will be going back when Howden returns.

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Posted 2018-11-08 5:17 PM (#713497 - in reply to #713253)
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Zuccarello out for two games according to the post, putting off any decision. And Andersson centering the fourth line with Chytil on the wing along with Lettieri. I get the sense Quinn is on top of this and has those two’s best interests in focus, so I guess we let it play out a few games to see his plan. Andersson playing10 minutes a night centering a fourth line with a little more fierce winger than Chytil might not be a bad thing. The kid wants to skate around taking reckless high sticking penalties he’s going to get challenged real soon. McLeod and Belesky might help that line just bang and crash and babysit Andersson. Beleskey and Andersson just might pop a few. It’s not like Lettieri is doing anything Belesky can’t do better. Leaving Chytil odd man out and Hartford bound as he’s not yet able to crack the top nine. And the Ranger playbook for how not to handle top end prospects would continue, but in fairness to them when’s the last time they had any to manage.
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Posted 2018-11-08 7:14 PM (#713498 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2018-12-28 3:46 PM (#716969 - in reply to #713253)
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And down goes Andersson to Hartford. I'm starting to feel sorry for the kid and the totally inept handling of his best hockey interests, and the New York Rangers interest in his success. Starts in Sweden last year, onto World Juniors, over to Hartford up to the Rangers with only some limited success in Hartford. On to starting this year in Hartford just getting his game going, and gets called up, chucked on the fourth line, because that's where he belonged at this point in time, and now without doing much to warrant staying in New York its back to Hartford to play catch up there again. In fairness to him not much opportunity in his time up here, but certainly enough time to attract some positive attention and more play. I just hope his attitude is good going to Hartford and he doesn't go sour.

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Posted 2019-01-07 3:29 PM (#717707 - in reply to #716969)
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RoundNum.Drafted ByPlayerPosDrafted FromGPGAPtsPIMLast Season
            
17NY RangersLias AnderssonCHV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]28246122018-19
18BuffaloCasey MittelstadtCGreen Bay Gamblers [USHL]486101682018-19
19DetroitMichael RasmussenCTri-City Americans [WHL]416713192018-19
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-01-07 3:37 PM (#717709 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-01-08 12:45 PM (#717717 - in reply to #713253)
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Eddie = what's your point? Mittelstadt and Rasmussen aren't exactly tearing it up. I'd go so far as to say if Lias played 40 or so games with more than 7-8 minutes a game and with other than the likes of McLeod, Spooner, Lettieri, Belesky, Nieves that he'd have stats at least the same as either Mittelstadt or Rasmussen. Time will tell in the long run, but way too early to pass judgement against these 2. All in all, its looking like it just happened to be one of the weaker drafts in recent years

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2019-01-08 1:08 PM (#717718 - in reply to #713253)
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Lias was on the 4th line and got 7-8 minutes a game for a reason....He was also given a chance with other players than the ones mentioned above....

It is too early to claim him a bust. But, it doesn't look that great for him. His ONE goal this year went off his rear end for crying out loud.
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Posted 2019-01-08 3:39 PM (#717719 - in reply to #713253)
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Andersson hasn't really gotten a fair shot this season so far. You can say that he needs to work out of the bottom 6 and there's a level of validity to that, but the fact is you don't want to be punitive with your own prospects, you want to give them some opportunities to succeed, even if they don't "earn" them in the traditional sense of the word. If every prospect was held to veteran production standards, no one would ever work their way out of the bottom 6.

It's also an absurdly small sample size. Mittlestadt had 3 points in his first 12 games and Sabres fans were up in arms. He had a good November and then cooled off again. He has 2 points in his last 15 games despite incredibly sheltered usage (75% offensive zone starts, PP time)

The cause for the lack of production, is primarily that he's been playing on the fourth line (like Andersson did primarily, with us). Who you play with has a huge impact on your production. Frankly Buffalo's fourth line, and team in general, is more talented than the Rangers', and this really isn't a good enough situation enough right now for Andersson to drive play on his own. (Mittlestadt, for all his talent, is not doing this either). Similarly, Rasmussen is playing primarily on the fourth line, when he's not in the press box himself. And while the Wings have less talent overall than the Sabres, they do roll 4 lines pretty consistently so when Rasmussend does play he gets a decent share of ice time to make up for the lower talent level on his team.

My point is not Andersson > Mittlestadt > Rasmussen or the opposite, rather that comparing players from 2017 at this point is pretty pointless.
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Posted 2019-01-08 3:43 PM (#717720 - in reply to #713253)
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If your comparison is valid, so is mine:

Cody Glass 2017 6th overall 0 GP 0 G 0 A 0 Pts
Lias Andersson 2017 7th overall 28 GP 2 G 4 A 6 Pts
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Posted 2019-01-08 6:18 PM (#717723 - in reply to #713253)
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Lias 2017 6th overall 28 GP 2 G 4 A 6 Pts
Filip Chytil 2017 21st overall 49 GP 7 G 9 A 16 Pts
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Posted 2019-01-08 6:19 PM (#717724 - in reply to #713253)
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And Chytil had a lot of 4th line time too
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Posted 2019-01-08 6:35 PM (#717726 - in reply to #713253)
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We can't dismiss how young these guys are. For some reason we expect them to be at their full potential when they're teenagers.

Andersson and Chytil are GOING to be good players. They're almost ready for major roles, they're simply not done developing yet.... and that's ok.... it doesn't make them busts, or mistakes or whatever else. It just means they haven't met your unfair expectations
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Posted 2019-01-08 7:23 PM (#717727 - in reply to #713253)
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When Lias was drafted we were told he's NHL ready. Why is it unfair to expect him to be in the NHL? I said he shouldn't be declared a bust. But, 2 years later you would expect "when we're told NHL ready" that he would be playing more than 7 minutes a game.

Don't see how thats unfair at all.

Chytil has shown that he can develop into a good player. I haven't seen that from Lias. And, apparently neither did AV or DQ.

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Posted 2019-01-08 7:35 PM (#717728 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-01-08 7:44 PM (#717730 - in reply to #717728)
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Mikey Red - 2019-01-08 7:35 PM

NHL ready


Was definitely fake news
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Posted 2019-01-08 8:00 PM (#717745 - in reply to #713253)
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The issue on draft day is that the Rangers are one of only a few teams that would have taken Andersson over Middlestadt. Been reported over and over. Many “suprised” pundits on draft day. It still has to play out some more but my money is still on Middlestadt over Andersson at the end of the careers.
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Posted 2019-01-09 8:55 AM (#717835 - in reply to #717745)
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Rranger - 2019-01-08 9:00 PM

The issue on draft day is that the Rangers are one of only a few teams that would have taken Andersson over Middlestadt. Been reported over and over. Many “suprised” pundits on draft day. It still has to play out some more but my money is still on Middlestadt over Andersson at the end of the careers.


Yeah probably, especially if you're going to judge by point totals. I take the more talented guy 95% of the time.
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Posted 2019-01-09 12:02 PM (#717837 - in reply to #717730)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-01-08 9:44 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-01-08 7:35 PM

NHL ready


Was definitely fake news

Definitely
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Posted 2019-01-10 6:35 AM (#717842 - in reply to #717835)
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Rranger - 2019-01-08 9:00 PM

The issue on draft day is that the Rangers are one of only a few teams that would have taken Andersson over Middlestadt. Been reported over and over. Many “suprised” pundits on draft day. It still has to play out some more but my money is still on Middlestadt over Andersson at the end of the careers.


Yeah probably, especially if you're going to judge by point totals. I take the more talented guy 95% of the time.




Over all value, the points will be a added bonus.
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