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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2019-02-07 5:22 AM (#719657 - in reply to #713253)
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Last 13 games, 3 points, minus 10 with 17 shots on goal and 7 were in one game. I believe that is the middle finger Lias is showing Quinn and Gorton. Will not be surprised at all if he is dealt if the deal makes sense.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-02-07 6:36 AM (#719658 - in reply to #719657)
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Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
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Posted 2019-02-07 4:26 PM (#719669 - in reply to #719658)
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 8:36 AM

Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
He was just stupid then but did he get smarter?
He tried to impress people but instead he made a foo of himself.
If he has leaythen he might become a good player but if hasn’t learned anything from that experience then so long.
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Posted 2019-02-07 4:34 PM (#719670 - in reply to #719669)
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Blue404 - 2019-02-07 6:26 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 8:36 AM

Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
He was just stupid then but did he get smarter?
He tried to impress people but instead he made a foo of himself.
If he has leaythen he might become a good player but if hasn’t learned anything from that experience then so long.

Yes indeed Blue
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Posted 2019-02-07 4:52 PM (#719671 - in reply to #719670)
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 6:34 PM

Blue404 - 2019-02-07 6:26 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 8:36 AM

Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
He was just stupid then but did he get smarter?
He tried to impress people but instead he made a foo of himself.
If he has leaythen he might become a good player but if hasn’t learned anything from that experience then so long.

Yes indeed Blue
Look at that.Those bums dressed in white hacked my phone! lol
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-02-07 5:16 PM (#719672 - in reply to #719671)
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Blue404 - 2019-02-07 6:52 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 6:34 PM

Blue404 - 2019-02-07 6:26 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 8:36 AM

Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
He was just stupid then but did he get smarter?
He tried to impress people but instead he made a foo of himself.
If he has leaythen he might become a good player but if hasn’t learned anything from that experience then so long.

Yes indeed Blue
Look at that.Those bums dressed in white hacked my phone! lol

Hahahah where are the assistants?
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2019-02-07 6:16 PM (#719674 - in reply to #713253)
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His last 8 games he has 1 primary point, 1!!!!!
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Posted 2019-02-07 6:23 PM (#719675 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-02-07 6:23 PM (#719676 - in reply to #719657)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-02-07 5:22 AM

Last 13 games, 3 points, minus 10 with 17 shots on goal and 7 were in one game. I believe that is the middle finger Lias is showing Quinn and Gorton. Will not be surprised at all if he is dealt if the deal makes sense.


If thats his way of giving the middle finger, by not playing hard in the AHL then I say trade him now. Kid has shown to be a punk
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Steady Eddie
Posted 2019-02-08 5:43 AM (#719679 - in reply to #713253)
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I still can't believe we picked Jesper Fast Lite over Mittelstadt. Fire Gordie.
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Posted 2019-02-08 6:16 AM (#719682 - in reply to #719679)
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Steady Eddie - 2019-02-08 7:43 AM

I still can't believe we picked Jesper Fast Lite over Mittelstadt. Fire Gordie.
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Posted 2019-02-08 7:30 AM (#719683 - in reply to #713253)
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He's Jesper Fast because that's the guy Pierre said he's like on draft day.... Pierre.... even though Lias is a center and a lefty and plays a more physical game and goes to the front of the net.... he's Fast.... because he's a defensively responsible Swede....
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Posted 2019-02-08 7:43 AM (#719685 - in reply to #713253)
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Then he's Jan Erixon lite lol
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Posted 2019-02-08 8:25 AM (#719686 - in reply to #713253)
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-15, not too good for a defensively responsible Swede.........
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Posted 2019-02-08 8:35 AM (#719690 - in reply to #719685)
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-08 8:43 AM

Then he's Jan Erixon lite lol


I LOLed but Jan Erixon is one of my favorite ex-Rangers.
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Posted 2019-02-08 8:40 AM (#719693 - in reply to #719690)
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concust - 2019-02-08 10:35 AM

Mikey Red - 2019-02-08 8:43 AM

Then he's Jan Erixon lite lol


I LOLed but Jan Erixon is one of my favorite ex-Rangers.

Hahah yeah he was great shadowing Mario....scored a playoff goal here and there
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Posted 2019-02-09 5:05 AM (#719755 - in reply to #713253)
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-18 in 31 Hartford games.

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Posted 2019-02-09 7:47 AM (#719759 - in reply to #713253)
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Package Lias for a better return. Let him be a 3rd line center somewhere else.
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Posted 2019-02-09 8:45 AM (#719761 - in reply to #719759)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-02-09 9:47 AM

Package Lias for a better return. Let him be a 3rd line center somewhere else.

Yep and send Clarke with him too
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Posted 2019-02-09 8:55 AM (#719764 - in reply to #713253)
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Buch, Lias and Pionk and TBL conditional pick we have for Panarin if he signs extension right away. Gives us a reason to root against TBL.
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Posted 2019-02-09 12:25 PM (#719766 - in reply to #713253)
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Middlestadt pots another one....would be nice to have him and Heatl here....F you Gordie Clarke
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Posted 2019-02-09 12:43 PM (#719767 - in reply to #713253)
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Ryan Graves with a woof turnover leading to an Isles goal
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Posted 2019-02-09 7:03 PM (#719771 - in reply to #713253)
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I said on draft day Lias was a mistake only because a Middlestadt skill set doesn’t grow on trees, character players do. With any kind of surge by Middlestadt over the second half and he’s looking at approaching 40 points in his rookie season which beats the hell out of a guy who can’t make the league. And Middlestadt numbers will grow, the kid is a point producer. Andersson can still possibly be a player but he’s full bore under the light now, and let the worrying begin.

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Posted 2019-02-12 9:05 AM (#719953 - in reply to #719771)
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Rranger - 2019-02-09 9:03 PM

I said on draft day Lias was a mistake only because a Middlestadt skill set doesn’t grow on trees, character players do. With any kind of surge by Middlestadt over the second half and he’s looking at approaching 40 points in his rookie season which beats the hell out of a guy who can’t make the league. And Middlestadt numbers will grow, the kid is a point producer. Andersson can still possibly be a player but he’s full bore under the light now, and let the worrying begin.


That'll have to be some surge. He's got 19 points in 55 games, including 7 in the last 10. To me, that was his surge. He'll need 21 in the remaining 27 games. I don't see him getting close to 40. Maybe 30.

I'm finally down on Andersson now too, but I still think Middlestadt will end up a 3rd liner, PP specialist at best. See holes in his game too
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concust
Posted 2019-02-12 9:09 AM (#719954 - in reply to #713253)
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It's early still, and keep in mind that Andersson is playing for a pretty sh!tty Hartford team - they've not been good the last few years and the last few months have been among the worst in recent memory. So know that as you point out things like how bad his +/- is in the AHL or how few points he's scored. Hartford bascially stopped scoring in December.

Not to say a comparison vs Mittlestadt isn't warranted, Mittlestadt certainly has the early edge, but remember they're different types of players and expectations should be in line accordingly.

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Posted 2019-02-12 9:59 AM (#719957 - in reply to #713253)
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Boo Nieves has developed into a more confident, straight ahead, player this season. Would like to see Andersson do the same soon. Nieves looks faster, stronger, so maybe Andersson needs to grow physically in the offseason. Heck, even stars like Crosby, Tavares and Barzal took a few seasons to mature physically before becoming more confident, aggressive players.

Not ready to give up on the kid, but I'd like to see a better approach when he gets ice time.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2019-02-12 12:44 PM (#719967 - in reply to #719954)
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concust - 2019-02-12 9:09 AM

It's early still, and keep in mind that Andersson is playing for a pretty sh!tty Hartford team - they've not been good the last few years and the last few months have been among the worst in recent memory. So know that as you point out things like how bad his +/- is in the AHL or how few points he's scored. Hartford bascially stopped scoring in December.

Not to say a comparison vs Mittlestadt isn't warranted, Mittlestadt certainly has the early edge, but remember they're different types of players and expectations should be in line accordingly.



It is very true that Hartford is pretty bad, but, Lias has the 3rd worst +/- on the team. Just last week he was -15, now he's -20, if the trend continues he'll have the worst - in two more games
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Posted 2019-02-12 1:03 PM (#719969 - in reply to #713253)
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Brian Leetch was -36 in 1998, fourth worst in the league. That's what happens when you play all situations for a bad team.
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Posted 2019-02-12 1:14 PM (#719971 - in reply to #713253)
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Kevin Shattenkirk doesn't play all situations and yet he has the worst +/- of all defenseman.

What is all situations? Maybe you can help clarify.
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Posted 2019-02-13 11:06 AM (#720128 - in reply to #719971)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-02-12 2:14 PM

Kevin Shattenkirk doesn't play all situations and yet he has the worst +/- of all defenseman.

What is all situations? Maybe you can help clarify.


All game situations. Offensive zone, defensive zone faceooffs, ahead, tied, trailing. Stats are easily goosed by giving players different assignments and sheltering them. When you're not sheltered (like Leetch) and you're expected to be out there all the time, and your team is horrible - a huge minus number is not only common but expected. It doesn't really mean anything.
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Posted 2019-02-13 11:15 AM (#720129 - in reply to #713253)
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To keep Andersson's development in perspective - last night the Rangers played another #7 overall pick who was expected to be picked mid-teens. At the same age as Andersson is now, this player had 1 point in 11 NHL games. He had 3 pts last night and has 68 in 57 games this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tit0E-54rLw

"Wow. That's our first real jump up Bob (McKenzie). Mark Scheifele, you had ranked 12th, in your ranking, and Scheifele jumps into the top 10, going 7th to the Winnipeg Jets."
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Posted 2019-02-13 11:26 AM (#720131 - in reply to #713253)
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https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-scheifele-better-couturie...


Cheveldayoff didn’t reap immediate rewards by drafting Scheifele. The year after the 2011 draft did nothing to quell ire or doubt. Many still felt the Jets should have opted for Couturier, the high-profile QMJHL standout, instead.

...

Couturier stepped directly into the NHL’s bright lights and didn’t blink. In the 2011-12 season, the teenager played 77 games, tallied 27 points, went to the NHL All-Star Game skills competition as a member of the rookie team, and carved out a niche on the penalty kill. Not a bad rookie campaign.

Scheifele, meanwhile, was raw and not ready for prime time. After seven games with the Jets to start the year, they sent him back to Barrie, where his offensive numbers actually regressed.
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The move didn’t look any better in 2012-13. Couturier took a step back, splitting time between the Flyers and their AHL affiliate in Adirondack, but still logged 46 NHL games. Meanwhile, Scheifele went back to the Colts again, and while he had an outstanding season, tallying 79 points in a mere 45 games, he’d not yet made a splash in the NHL.



I'm not saying Andersson will turn out to be Scheifiele, and Mittlestadt is the next Coutourier, but I am saying that if you're passing along a final judgement on a prospect who just turned 20, you don't pay much attention to what happens with other prospects around the league or you're just blinded by impatience.
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Posted 2019-02-13 11:56 AM (#720132 - in reply to #719954)
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concust - 2019-02-12 11:09 AM

It's early still, and keep in mind that Andersson is playing for a pretty sh!tty Hartford team - they've not been good the last few years and the last few months have been among the worst in recent memory. So know that as you point out things like how bad his +/- is in the AHL or how few points he's scored. Hartford bascially stopped scoring in December.

Not to say a comparison vs Mittlestadt isn't warranted, Mittlestadt certainly has the early edge, but remember they're different types of players and expectations should be in line accordingly.



Doesn't say much for our prospects, if they stopped scoring in December. Sean Day is our highest rated prospect 7.5, according to OTG.
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Posted 2019-02-13 12:12 PM (#720134 - in reply to #720132)
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NTHockey - 2019-02-13 12:56 PM

concust - 2019-02-12 11:09 AM

It's early still, and keep in mind that Andersson is playing for a pretty sh!tty Hartford team - they've not been good the last few years and the last few months have been among the worst in recent memory. So know that as you point out things like how bad his +/- is in the AHL or how few points he's scored. Hartford bascially stopped scoring in December.

Not to say a comparison vs Mittlestadt isn't warranted, Mittlestadt certainly has the early edge, but remember they're different types of players and expectations should be in line accordingly.



Doesn't say much for our prospects, if they stopped scoring in December. Sean Day is our highest rated prospect 7.5, according to OTG.


Listen, I love the Wolfpack but right now the AHL is not where the Rangers have their top talent. Andersson is the only forward down there who can reasonably project to more than a third or fourth liner at the NHL level, and there's maybe 2, 2 and a half, prospects right now that project to be more than depth defensemen.

Rangers have much more talent in Europe, plus they have young talent that was recently promoted to the NHL so Hartford isn't exactly going to be a powerhouse.
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Posted 2019-02-13 4:57 PM (#720142 - in reply to #713253)
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Lias is a good player. He's very close to sticking in the NHL for good.... probably after the deadline there will be more room on the roster for him and others... Lindgren....

What we see isn't a fully developed player yet. Chytil, same thing. Hell, even Buchnevich and Vesey have room and time to grow still.

Some players take longer to cook. It would be nice/lucky to draft someone who is not only NHL ready at the age of 18, but an impact player.... but that doesn't happen often.

These guys are still filling out into their bodies, and maturing, let alone figuring out the timing, speed, systems of the NHL.... playing with the highest talent and against the best the world has to offer.... **** takes time unless you're a freak elite level wizard of a hockey player

Which we just don't have.

Chytil and Middtlestat have the same amount of points... Filip has more goals... neither are tearing the league up... 19 pts in 55 gp...

These players need to develope. Andersson will be a giod Ranger, I have faith in that.

Howden isn't done cooking yet either, btw....

This is year 1 of the rebuild.... try to have patience
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