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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-10 8:00 PM (#716198 - in reply to #715983)
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PV29
Posted 2018-12-10 8:01 PM (#716199 - in reply to #716196)
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Mikey Red - 2018-12-10 9:58 PM

Need a goal and they put Fast out there...thats an AV move

Yeah, not liking that move. Hopefully it’s to enhance the trade value.
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robstones
Posted 2018-12-10 8:01 PM (#716200 - in reply to #715983)
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Over matched, but not out classed....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-10 8:01 PM (#716201 - in reply to #715983)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-10 8:02 PM (#716202 - in reply to #715983)
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TB can come at you in waves ...they have a lot of good young kids
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-12-10 8:03 PM (#716203 - in reply to #716200)
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robstones - 2018-12-10 8:01 PM

Over matched, but not out classed....


The team is in most games, just not enough on this team just yet.
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PV29
Posted 2018-12-10 8:03 PM (#716204 - in reply to #716200)
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robstones - 2018-12-10 10:01 PM

Over matched, but not out classed....

Well said. Look at all the veterans on Tampa compared to the 1st and 2nd year players on the Rangers.

It might be said that the Tampa goalie just outplayed Henrik if anything.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-10 8:08 PM (#716205 - in reply to #715983)
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Gorton has to do the right thing between now and Feb 25 2019 ...keep acquiring 1's and prospects....Smith, Zuc, Shatt and whoever else goodbye
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-10 8:11 PM (#716206 - in reply to #715983)
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We need Warriors and Killers....Then we'll be onto something!
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-12-10 8:30 PM (#716207 - in reply to #716177)
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PV29 - 2018-12-10 7:42 PM

x10003q - 2018-12-10 9:40 PM

LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-12-10 9:38 PM

I never complain about refs, but in this game, it was bad. You are trying to keep up with this team & the refs don't call anything on this team.


Hard enough to beat TB, impossible to beat TB and the Refs


Wouldn’t be surprised if Quinn gets his first NHL fine tonight. He looks ready to go medieval on these asshole refs.


I listened to the interview, he stayed away from commenting on refs. That's what I'm saying these are the types of games you wish Torts was still coach! :-)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-10 8:32 PM (#716208 - in reply to #715983)
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-12-11 5:06 AM (#716209 - in reply to #715983)
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1st year coach it is smart not to comment on refs.

Maloney said there are a lot of mediocre teams right now, Tampa is not 1 of those teams.
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robstones
Posted 2018-12-11 6:02 AM (#716210 - in reply to #716204)
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PV29 - 2018-12-10 10:03 PM

robstones - 2018-12-10 10:01 PM

Over matched, but not out classed....

Well said. Look at all the veterans on Tampa compared to the 1st and 2nd year players on the Rangers.

It might be said that the Tampa goalie just outplayed Henrik if anything.


Those Stamkos goals were snipes.... nothing Henrik or anyone else can do about those.

Rangers lacked the talent, and got discouraged in the 2nd period... but the classless diving by Tampa left a bad taste in my mouth.

The Rangers' rebuild isn't over until they have at least one top talent on offense like Stamkos, and a top talent on D like Hedman

Kravtsov and Miller may be that.... either way, till those type of top tier players are added, The Rangers will just be "a hard team to play against"
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-11 7:17 AM (#716211 - in reply to #716210)
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Thoughts from last nite...I like Hayes...He is a big body and does a lot of good things....but last night with the close in scoring chance he had he waited til he got to the goalies pads before shooting...I dont know if we can give him 6 x 6 NMC....We are rebuilding but Henrik is in goal every night..... Are DQ and JG on the same page? Look at TB kids...they have kids playing well now that they took in mid rounds....Stevie Y knows what he is doing....
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Rranger
Posted 2018-12-11 8:00 AM (#716212 - in reply to #715983)
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The lifeblood of today's NHL teams is the draft, and second to that is the development of those drafted players, including knowing when prospects are ready to move up. No more buying teams. The Rangers to be kind haven't exactly moved many through the process to the NHL. Most have been traded for or signed as free agents,and for the most part those players required a small amount of minor league play. With the talent Gorton has acquired now in Hartford and still Amateurs the clock and magnifying glass are on. Time will tell, they appear to have a coach who appears to be trying to have success now while also keeping an eye on down the road doing a pretty good job of getting some young guys contributing this year. We will see how good a job McCambridge is doing in Hartford when Hajek, Lindgren, and Crawly and company come to camp next year. If at least two don't kick the door down then let the second guessing begin.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-11 8:14 AM (#716213 - in reply to #715983)
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R did you get to watch the game last night?
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Rranger
Posted 2018-12-11 8:27 AM (#716214 - in reply to #716213)
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Mikey Red - 2018-12-11 7:14 AM

R did you get to watch the game last night?




Nope. The feed i had from before did not work. So need one for next game. I have center ice at home and my dish with me,but it wont pick up the satellite i need down here. so no regular Rangers unless i fork out more money.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-11 8:33 AM (#716215 - in reply to #715983)
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Bummer...maybe you can tell them you have another place and you need tv and to help you out?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-11 8:35 AM (#716216 - in reply to #715983)
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Can we end the Shattenkirk experiment already? The guy plays no defense...and is incredibly soft and fragile...and brings not nearly enough Offense
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-11 9:24 AM (#716217 - in reply to #715983)
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Shatt prob out for the season again...The guy needed how many Months for a meniscus tear? Lets trade Smitty if possible and bring up Hajek and Crawley/Lindgren
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2018-12-11 10:44 AM (#716218 - in reply to #715983)
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I'm a big Fast fan but playing him 16 minutes a game and Andersson 11 is not how you rebuild. This GM and coach still have not committed to a rebuild. Howden has had one point in his last 9 games. Yet, he plays a lot more. Hopefully, Gorton will get his head out of his ass and trade Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith and Zucc if he can. Staal should be fairly easy to move now if he eats a little salary. He's playing well. Shatt will probably have to be 50% retained. Same with Smith. I'd like to see them get rid of all three and go with the following the rest of the year.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-11 11:01 AM (#716219 - in reply to #715983)
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So you have cut Howden from the team? Bigras? Wheres Rykov? Crawley?
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2018-12-12 2:06 AM (#716220 - in reply to #715983)
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I would be in full tank mode the rest of the year. The only reason Gorton is allowing Quinn to play 4 or 5 of these vets is because he's hoping to get picks at the deadline. The flip side of that is he's screwing over kids and not giving them playing time. I don't even know if he could deal Smith at this point he's so awful most games. He may have to trade a player like Namestnikov and make the team take Smith with him. At this point, a buyout of Smith has to be on the table. I would suspect if they can't dump him they buyout him out at the end of the season.

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Rranger
Posted 2018-12-12 7:29 AM (#716222 - in reply to #715983)
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Tanking does not sit well with the 18,000 that paid big money to watch. The kids would be here if they were ready. Is Gorton really holding them back because he likes watching Smith, Shattenkirk, screwing up most nights they are playing? Sucking up cap space? If there is a will there is a way to move them. More probable is the reasoning the prospects are in a environment allowing them to put the finishing touches on preparedness for future NHL success, because they have not reached that point in their development YET. Defense is a lot harder to play, with mistakes usually making highlight reels with no place for kids to hide. Its understandable by most anyone, defensemen take longer to develop in order to have success under the intense scrutiny of every mistake resulting in opposition scoring opportunities. Expect a significant switch in personnel next season, hopefully after Gorton has moved out both Smith and Shattenkirk. At that point in time Staal, Pionk, Lindgren, Hajek, Claesson, DeAngelo, Skjei and even McQuaid looks pretty close to what it might be. With McQuaid and Claesson always subject to being moved, for other options. .
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-12-12 7:34 AM (#716223 - in reply to #715983)
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Buyout is the worst idea on the table...We are already on the hook for Girardi for 4 more years....Dead cap space no no no
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Posted 2018-12-12 8:30 AM (#716226 - in reply to #715983)
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Did Lafontaine come out of retirement?
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Posted 2018-12-12 4:45 PM (#716229 - in reply to #716223)
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Mikey Red - 2018-12-12 7:34 AM

Buyout is the worst idea on the table...We are already on the hook for Girardi for 4 more years....Dead cap space no no no


Agreed. Absolutely no reason for buyouts. It's not like the Rangers need the cap space for a run. Get these salaries off the books in the least amount of years possible. Trade where you can or let them sit in the minors or the pressbox.
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PV29
Posted 2018-12-12 6:39 PM (#716232 - in reply to #716207)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-12-10 10:30 PM

I listened to the interview, he stayed away from commenting on refs. That's what I'm saying these are the types of games you wish Torts was still coach! :-)


Torts didn't start ripping refs in post-game interviews until he had been in the league a bit. He really get into it after he won the Cup in Tampa. Point is, give Quinn some time. He's not even halfway through his first NHL season behind the bench. He looks like a guy that can cut into a ref during the game with a few choice words, and then make some sharp comments after the game. He just needs some more time under his belt.
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PV29
Posted 2018-12-12 6:42 PM (#716233 - in reply to #716210)
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robstones - 2018-12-11 8:02 AM

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robstones - 2018-12-10 10:01 PM

Over matched, but not out classed....

Well said. Look at all the veterans on Tampa compared to the 1st and 2nd year players on the Rangers.

It might be said that the Tampa goalie just outplayed Henrik if anything.


Those Stamkos goals were snipes.... nothing Henrik or anyone else can do about those.

Rangers lacked the talent, and got discouraged in the 2nd period... but the classless diving by Tampa left a bad taste in my mouth.

The Rangers' rebuild isn't over until they have at least one top talent on offense like Stamkos, and a top talent on D like Hedman

Kravtsov and Miller may be that.... either way, till those type of top tier players are added, The Rangers will just be "a hard team to play against"

The goal he let in by McDonagh changed the whole game. Tapma's goalie made keys stops when his team needed them, especially in the 3rd period.

I'm not complaining about the team, in fact I'm complimenting how well they played against an elite team that is built to win this season.
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Rranger
Posted 2018-12-12 8:21 PM (#716234 - in reply to #716223)
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Mikey Red - 2018-12-12 6:34 AM

Buyout is the worst idea on the table...We are already on the hook for Girardi for 4 more years....Dead cap space no no no




Its a matter of maintaining a budget, buyouts are only a negative if they turn into one that costs you being able to sign or trade for players. The low team salary structure is a by product of a rebuild. Now is the time to buyout or take on %’s of traded players salaries under the assumption it will be off the books by the time the team salary structure starts to increase equating to the teams rise in the standings and players deserving more money, and the teams needing the cap space to compensate.
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Posted 2018-12-13 6:37 AM (#716236 - in reply to #716218)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-12-11 10:44 AM

I'm a big Fast fan but playing him 16 minutes a game and Andersson 11 is not how you rebuild. This GM and coach still have not committed to a rebuild. Howden has had one point in his last 9 games. Yet, he plays a lot more. Hopefully, Gorton will get his head out of his ass and trade Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith and Zucc if he can. Staal should be fairly easy to move now if he eats a little salary. He's playing well. Shatt will probably have to be 50% retained. Same with Smith. I'd like to see them get rid of all three and go with the following the rest of the year.

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Buchnevich-Hayes-Vesey
Namestnikov-Strome-Andersson
Belesky-Lafontaine-Fast

Hajek-Pionk
Lindgren-Skjei
Bigras-DeAngelo
McQuaid


Would Howden be a healthy scratch every night?
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