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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-02-10 2:12 PM (#719791 - in reply to #719790)
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Saw Millers crash....why is so deep like that as a a Defenseman?


He took it coast to coast.... did we ask Leetch that question? Did we ask Pionk that question when he did that spin move goal earlier this season?

It looks like the injury happened, and that's why he fell... my guess is a knee gave out

Lol Leetch is a NYR God....Pionk should be in Hartford
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Posted 2019-02-10 3:21 PM (#719792 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-10 3:32 PM (#719793 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-10 4:02 PM (#719794 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-10 4:28 PM (#719795 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-10 4:58 PM (#719796 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-10 5:15 PM (#719797 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-10 5:17 PM (#719799 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-10 5:20 PM (#719801 - in reply to #719799)
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Rranger
Posted 2019-02-12 6:16 AM (#719933 - in reply to #718362)
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I can think of a few dmen to trade before McQuaid.



https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/why-rangers-may-think-twice-about-adam...


Edited by Rranger 2019-02-12 6:18 AM
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Posted 2019-02-12 7:40 AM (#719937 - in reply to #719933)
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I can think of a few dmen to trade before McQuaid.



https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/why-rangers-may-think-twice-about-adam...


I'm not sure if the return for Adam McQuaid is significant enough to shop him, but if a team comes calling about him and willing to overpay.... he's gone...

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Posted 2019-02-12 7:57 AM (#719940 - in reply to #718362)
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The how is Sather still working list.

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Posted 2019-02-12 8:08 AM (#719941 - in reply to #719937)
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I can think of a few dmen to trade before McQuaid.



https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/why-rangers-may-think-twice-about-adam...


I'm not sure if the return for Adam McQuaid is significant enough to shop him, but if a team comes calling about him and willing to overpay.... he's gone...





A quantifier getting rid of even Wayne Gretzky is "if a team is willing to overpay you trade him". So in that respect of course McQuaid would be gone.
He's a good team guy that would help new young Ranger dmen hopefully introduced over the next couple of seasons. There is worse dead wood on the rangers than McQuaid.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-02-12 8:19 AM (#719942 - in reply to #718362)
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Yep if Gorton can get rid of Shattenkirk Smith and Pionk then its a great scenario....I just don't know if Staal can be moved....He seems to be the Captain in the room
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Posted 2019-02-12 8:28 AM (#719944 - in reply to #719941)
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I can think of a few dmen to trade before McQuaid.



https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/why-rangers-may-think-twice-about-adam...


I'm not sure if the return for Adam McQuaid is significant enough to shop him, but if a team comes calling about him and willing to overpay.... he's gone...





A quantifier getting rid of even Wayne Gretzky is "if a team is willing to overpay you trade him". So in that respect of course McQuaid would be gone.
He's a good team guy that would help new young Ranger dmen hopefully introduced over the next couple of seasons. There is worse dead wood on the rangers than McQuaid.


OK then let's put some guard rails on it. I'd say that if a team is willing to pony up a second round pick or a B+ prospect, or above, then we should trade him. If it's just going to be less than that, I talk to his camp and see what an extension would cost. If it's reasonable I'm all for signing him, if it's pricey then I take whatever offer is available.

McQuaid should not be undervalued, he is a lot of things that teams around this time covet - RHD, playoff experienced, depth defenseman, and big. Those are ALL things teams overpay for this time of year.

On the flip side, McQuaid's next contract is almost definitely going to be his last one. Is he going to want to sign here, for presumably less than he'd get on the open market, on a shorter term, and for a team that isn't firmly in a "window?" All those factors are going to cost us.

I have no problems with the player, his production, or his role (or his current contract) and would be happy to have him back at the right price; at the same time I think it's unrealistic to think he'll be back due to all the extenuating circumstances.

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Posted 2019-02-12 8:30 AM (#719945 - in reply to #719942)
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-12 9:19 AM

Yep if Gorton can get rid of Shattenkirk Smith and Pionk then its a great scenario....I just don't know if Staal can be moved....He seems to be the Captain in the room


My unpopular opinion, is that if you can shed the rest of the dead weight on defense, Staal's contract and age become acceptable especially for a rebuilding team. If you cut some of the above loose, and you replace them with kid(s) on ELC, then Staal's $5.8 really is no longer a problem. And with the right partner I think Staal has been fine.
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Posted 2019-02-12 8:34 AM (#719947 - in reply to #718362)
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I have no problem with Staal...He is a good Ranger...Never hear a peep out of him
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Posted 2019-02-12 8:41 AM (#719952 - in reply to #719944)
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concust - 2019-02-12 7:28 AM

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Rranger - 2019-02-12 8:16 AM

I can think of a few dmen to trade before McQuaid.



https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/why-rangers-may-think-twice-about-adam...


I'm not sure if the return for Adam McQuaid is significant enough to shop him, but if a team comes calling about him and willing to overpay.... he's gone...





A quantifier getting rid of even Wayne Gretzky is "if a team is willing to overpay you trade him". So in that respect of course McQuaid would be gone.
He's a good team guy that would help new young Ranger dmen hopefully introduced over the next couple of seasons. There is worse dead wood on the rangers than McQuaid.


OK then let's put some guard rails on it. I'd say that if a team is willing to pony up a second round pick or a B+ prospect, or above, then we should trade him. If it's just going to be less than that, I talk to his camp and see what an extension would cost. If it's reasonable I'm all for signing him, if it's pricey then I take whatever offer is available.

McQuaid should not be undervalued, he is a lot of things that teams around this time covet - RHD, playoff experienced, depth defenseman, and big. Those are ALL things teams overpay for this time of year.

On the flip side, McQuaid's next contract is almost definitely going to be his last one. Is he going to want to sign here, for presumably less than he'd get on the open market, on a shorter term, and for a team that isn't firmly in a "window?" All those factors are going to cost us.

I have no problems with the player, his production, or his role (or his current contract) and would be happy to have him back at the right price; at the same time I think it's unrealistic to think he'll be back due to all the extenuating circumstances.





I'm not saying keep him no matter what. Only that he's proven some value in areas of expertise the Rangers don't have much of. Tough guys that can play still have a lot of value. But in the interests of him staying it would have to be a team friendly contract. Teams are not going to be lining up to overpay him, and probably minimalize his intrinsic value. So he does have to pass the signing a reasonable contract, and I don't see that as any issue. If it is gift him some luggage and bye bye.

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Posted 2019-02-12 9:46 AM (#719955 - in reply to #719944)
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OK then let's put some guard rails on it. I'd say that if a team is willing to pony up a second round pick or a B+ prospect, or above, then we should trade him. If it's just going to be less than that, I talk to his camp and see what an extension would cost. If it's reasonable I'm all for signing him, if it's pricey then I take whatever offer is available.

McQuaid should not be undervalued, he is a lot of things that teams around this time covet - RHD, playoff experienced, depth defenseman, and big. Those are ALL things teams overpay for this time of year.

On the flip side, McQuaid's next contract is almost definitely going to be his last one. Is he going to want to sign here, for presumably less than he'd get on the open market, on a shorter term, and for a team that isn't firmly in a "window?" All those factors are going to cost us.

I have no problems with the player, his production, or his role (or his current contract) and would be happy to have him back at the right price; at the same time I think it's unrealistic to think he'll be back due to all the extenuating circumstances.


Toronto is in desperate need for quality, experienced and physical defensemen. They cannot survive the playoffs with the current backline group, and Babcock knows it. He was playing his 5/6 pair less than 10 minutes on some nights. Getting Muzzin was only part of the answer. They would pay a premium price for McQuaid as the deadline gets closer and their options dwindle.

I'd hate to see him leave. He's the first top 4 physical Dman the Rangers have had in many years. His wrister is even better than Shattencrap's, at least his hits the net and goes in from time to time. He'd be a valuable piece next season, both in helping the team be successful as well as setting an example for the younger players coming up like Lindgren and Miller. But for the right price, they would have to take advantage of the current market and trade him.
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Posted 2019-02-12 9:54 AM (#719956 - in reply to #719952)
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I'm not saying keep him no matter what. Only that he's proven some value in areas of expertise the Rangers don't have much of. Tough guys that can play still have a lot of value. But in the interests of him staying it would have to be a team friendly contract. Teams are not going to be lining up to overpay him, and probably minimalize his intrinsic value. So he does have to pass the signing a reasonable contract, and I don't see that as any issue. If it is gift him some luggage and bye bye.



Yes I understand that and agree. But I think the chances of him signing a team-friendly contract are slim. He's made just under $19m his NHL career, but has no endorsements or other income to rely on. This will be his last contract. He'll want to max it out unless there are other circumstances I don't know about (family for example). If I'm the Rangers I'm happy to give him a small bump for a 3 year contract but my guess is he'll want more than that, and I think he'll get it. By my count he's probably the fourth best UFA RHD this off season with the top 3 being in another tier (Karlsson, Myers, Stralman) and then there's McQuaid, and then similar players who are a few years older (Girardi, Lovejoy). So McQuaid is in a good spot to negotiate this offseason. We'll see but I'm guessing he gets 4 years in the neighborhood of $14m. That may be a little rich for the Rangers' blood, unless, as I said in another post, they can shed some of their worse contracts to make some room. If that happens I'd be happy to pay market rate for McQuaid.

EDIT - he might not get 4 years. Looking back at his career, he seems to miss fairly significant time each year with injuries (obviously due to his playing style). His high in GP is 77 two years ago, but aside from that he seems to miss a quarter of the season, or more, every year.
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Posted 2019-02-12 11:22 AM (#719961 - in reply to #719956)
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I'm not saying keep him no matter what. Only that he's proven some value in areas of expertise the Rangers don't have much of. Tough guys that can play still have a lot of value. But in the interests of him staying it would have to be a team friendly contract. Teams are not going to be lining up to overpay him, and probably minimalize his intrinsic value. So he does have to pass the signing a reasonable contract, and I don't see that as any issue. If it is gift him some luggage and bye bye.



Yes I understand that and agree. But I think the chances of him signing a team-friendly contract are slim. He's made just under $19m his NHL career, but has no endorsements or other income to rely on. This will be his last contract. He'll want to max it out unless there are other circumstances I don't know about (family for example). If I'm the Rangers I'm happy to give him a small bump for a 3 year contract but my guess is he'll want more than that, and I think he'll get it. By my count he's probably the fourth best UFA RHD this off season with the top 3 being in another tier (Karlsson, Myers, Stralman) and then there's McQuaid, and then similar players who are a few years older (Girardi, Lovejoy). So McQuaid is in a good spot to negotiate this offseason. We'll see but I'm guessing he gets 4 years in the neighborhood of $14m. That may be a little rich for the Rangers' blood, unless, as I said in another post, they can shed some of their worse contracts to make some room. If that happens I'd be happy to pay market rate for McQuaid.

EDIT - he might not get 4 years. Looking back at his career, he seems to miss fairly significant time each year with injuries (obviously due to his playing style). His high in GP is 77 two years ago, but aside from that he seems to miss a quarter of the season, or more, every year.





I'd be surprised if he got that much money. His days of being a number 4 on a good team are done, he's a prototypical third pair guy that can jump up the lineup on nights injuries or penalties are a factor. He starts next season and a new contract at the age of 33, which is more of a factor for a physical player like him than a finesse guy. I don't see $3.5 mill for three or four years in his future. The Rangers are in control. Here is their offer, if he doesn't like it he gets traded. The ball will be in his court, reportedly he likes it here, so does he want to chase a bigger deal or sign what will probably be pretty much the same for three or maybe four years if he keeps the yearly income in the $2,750,000 range.. And I did chuckle a bit at poor mcquaid having to prepare financially, on his meager $19,000,000 career to date income and no endorsements. He should survive.
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Posted 2019-02-12 12:16 PM (#719964 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-12 12:32 PM (#719965 - in reply to #718362)
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Wow!!! now we have 2 7's in 2020 lol
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Posted 2019-02-12 12:43 PM (#719966 - in reply to #719965)
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-12 11:32 AM

Wow!!! now we have 2 7's in 2020 lol





Well i guess any time you sign a guy for money at no asset cost and roll him into a pick you have done well. They have three 7's which might get them a 5th lol.
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Posted 2019-02-12 12:59 PM (#719968 - in reply to #719966)
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Wow!!! now we have 2 7's in 2020 lol





Well i guess any time you sign a guy for money at no asset cost and roll him into a pick you have done well. They have three 7's which might get them a 5th lol.


Just a guess but I bet you have better odds with the 3 7ths than 1 5th. Really anything past the 4th round is a crap shoot (unless you're Christer Rockstrom)
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Posted 2019-02-12 1:06 PM (#719970 - in reply to #719968)
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Wow!!! now we have 2 7's in 2020 lol





Well i guess any time you sign a guy for money at no asset cost and roll him into a pick you have done well. They have three 7's which might get them a 5th lol.


Just a guess but I bet you have better odds with the 3 7ths than 1 5th. Really anything past the 4th round is a crap shoot (unless you're Christer Rockstrom)



I would agree,although I'm not advocating flipping three 7's for a 5 just pointing the insignificance of seventh round picks, unless you beat the odds..
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Posted 2019-02-12 4:50 PM (#719973 - in reply to #718362)
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David Pasternick broken thumb....says it happened after a team event "walking to his transportation" ..........could cause a domino to fall
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Posted 2019-02-13 12:20 PM (#720137 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-13 12:25 PM (#720138 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-13 12:47 PM (#720139 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-13 1:11 PM (#720140 - in reply to #718362)
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I just pray Gorton brings back a big return at the deadline. He killed it last year in the first round. Another haul like that and the rebuild is on the way big time.
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Posted 2019-02-13 1:34 PM (#720141 - in reply to #718362)
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Posted 2019-02-16 7:04 AM (#720218 - in reply to #718362)
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Interesting Gorton reportedly testing the contract waters with Hayes and Zuccarello now.


https://nypost.com/2019/02/15/alexandar-georgiev-dazzles-again-as-ra...
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Posted 2019-02-16 8:15 AM (#720221 - in reply to #720218)
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Interesting Gorton reportedly testing the contract waters with Hayes and Zuccarello now.


https://nypost.com/2019/02/15/alexandar-georgiev-dazzles-again-as-ra...

Interesting...I think you are crazy to not trade Zuc....and I HATE the idea of buyouts
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