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Rranger
Posted 2019-09-05 1:50 PM (#727820 - in reply to #727819)
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Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Kreider Kravtsov Buchnevich
Chytil Howden Strome
Lemieux Andersson Fast

Skjei Trouba
Staal Fox
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All well and good till they have to do it on the ice.
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Posted 2019-09-05 3:46 PM (#727822 - in reply to #724401)
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That's the exciting part. These kids are going to eat this league whole. K'Andre Miller on the way..... Ryan Lindgren.... exciting time for sure
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Posted 2019-09-05 6:00 PM (#727823 - in reply to #724401)
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Posted 2019-09-06 5:45 AM (#727824 - in reply to #724401)
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Michael Haley? Wasn’t he invited a few years ago? Me thinks this could be fake news. Just like CBS Sports reporting that we qualified Chris Nell. Fake news.

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Posted 2019-09-06 7:38 AM (#727825 - in reply to #724401)
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Eh.... isn't there always these out of left field invitees? Nothing wrong with creating healthy competition in camp.... Can't have these kids think anything's being handed to them, here....

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Posted 2019-09-06 8:03 AM (#727826 - in reply to #724401)
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don't think it's anything about healthy competition. There's like zero chance Haley is still with the Rangers (or in Hartford) to start the season. This is all about doing a guy a favor and letting him be seen in the pre-season in hopes of catching on somewhere else.

As a side benefit, it may also be used for pre-season thuggery that often happens during the pre-season with rivals (Devs, Isles and F'ers)
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Posted 2019-09-06 8:14 AM (#727827 - in reply to #727826)
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sureshore - 2019-09-06 9:03 AM

As a side benefit, it may also be used for pre-season thuggery that often happens during the pre-season with rivals (Devs, Isles and F'ers)


Actually I think this is the main reason, because in preseason you always have a ton of guys looking to make a name for themselves by going after someone else's top player.

Honestly if Haley is "healthy competition" for anyone on this roster, we're f*cked.
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Posted 2019-09-06 9:51 AM (#727829 - in reply to #724401)
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Not so much competition.... what I mean is a vet to show the rookies the ropes, and keep them motivated.

He has 0 chance of making the team... but the kids don't know that.... his presence with push them to be at their best in my opinion...

Certainly won't hurt anything

And DEFINETELY as extra protection during preseason... A lot of talent to take care of out there.

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Posted 2019-09-09 12:21 PM (#727876 - in reply to #724401)
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I think Lemieux fills that roll in the reg season. The idea is to have a power play that gets respect which starts by being able to win a faceoff in the offensive zone.
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Posted 2019-09-09 7:54 PM (#727881 - in reply to #727876)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-09-09 11:21 AM

I think Lemieux fills that roll in the reg season. The idea is to have a power play that gets respect which starts by being able to win a faceoff in the offensive zone.




I agree Lemieux is a important cog.
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Posted 2019-09-11 5:16 AM (#727906 - in reply to #727881)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-09-09 11:21 AM

I think Lemieux fills that roll in the reg season. The idea is to have a power play that gets respect which starts by being able to win a faceoff in the offensive zone.




I agree Lemieux is a important cog.

Important yes, but I also see him as a young player who is going to make a lot of mistakes and take bad penalties. We shouldn’t overpay.

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Posted 2019-09-11 7:33 AM (#727907 - in reply to #727906)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-09-09 11:21 AM

I think Lemieux fills that roll in the reg season. The idea is to have a power play that gets respect which starts by being able to win a faceoff in the offensive zone.




I agree Lemieux is a important cog.

Important yes, but I also see him as a young player who is going to make a lot of mistakes and take bad penalties. We shouldn’t overpay.





No doubt he is going to take some penalties and he will draw penalties also. If he can tilt the scales towards matching penalties he should be ok. If he starts taking to many individual penalties then quinn is going to have to have a talk. I see a guy who can play up and down the lineup, and brings some much needed spunk to the team. Personally I think there is a lot more hockey player in him than we have seen so far.
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Posted 2019-09-13 3:57 PM (#727959 - in reply to #724401)
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Posted 2019-09-14 11:10 AM (#727965 - in reply to #724401)
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Posted 2019-09-16 8:05 AM (#727976 - in reply to #727907)
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Rranger - 2019-09-11 8:33 AM

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Rranger - 2019-09-09 9:54 PM

Pierre_Pdare - 2019-09-09 11:21 AM

I think Lemieux fills that roll in the reg season. The idea is to have a power play that gets respect which starts by being able to win a faceoff in the offensive zone.




I agree Lemieux is a important cog.

Important yes, but I also see him as a young player who is going to make a lot of mistakes and take bad penalties. We shouldn’t overpay.





No doubt he is going to take some penalties and he will draw penalties also. If he can tilt the scales towards matching penalties he should be ok. If he starts taking to many individual penalties then quinn is going to have to have a talk. I see a guy who can play up and down the lineup, and brings some much needed spunk to the team. Personally I think there is a lot more hockey player in him than we have seen so far.


Don't have the stat off the top of my head, but last year Lemieux drew significantly more penalties than he took.

After a while, his reputation may catch up to him and this may even out, but for now it seems like he's more than pulling his own weight. I don't expect him to keep scoring at the same rate he did though, any more than I expected Brandon Prust to keep up a 20 goal pace. Just enjoy it while it lasts.
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Posted 2019-09-16 1:34 PM (#727987 - in reply to #724401)
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Lemieux has 13 goals in 71 games and you don’t expect him to keep scoring at that rate? I think your in for a surprise.
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Posted 2019-09-17 4:16 PM (#728009 - in reply to #727987)
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Rranger - 2019-09-16 2:34 PM

Lemieux has 13 goals in 71 games and you don’t expect him to keep scoring at that rate? I think your in for a surprise.


That's just shy of 15 goals a year in a full 82 game season, and no I don't see him hitting that consistently.
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Posted 2019-09-17 4:22 PM (#728010 - in reply to #728009)
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Rranger - 2019-09-16 2:34 PM

Lemieux has 13 goals in 71 games and you don’t expect him to keep scoring at that rate? I think your in for a surprise.


That's just shy of 15 goals a year in a full 82 game season, and no I don't see him hitting that consistently.





Well I guess we see I think he does it in his sleep.
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Posted 2019-09-18 11:32 AM (#728019 - in reply to #728010)
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Rranger - 2019-09-16 2:34 PM

Lemieux has 13 goals in 71 games and you don’t expect him to keep scoring at that rate? I think your in for a surprise.


That's just shy of 15 goals a year in a full 82 game season, and no I don't see him hitting that consistently.





Well I guess we see I think he does it in his sleep.



Where do you foresee him playing most of his time? Third line? Top 6?

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Posted 2019-09-18 11:53 AM (#728021 - in reply to #724401)
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Third and fourth with intermittent top two. I think the kid has the type of hardworking nose dirty game Quinn likes. Kreider is the only top nine forward with a whiff of Lemieux’s grit. The Rangers need some at the top of the lineup against certain teams. I don’t think Quinn will be shy about playing him up the lineup. Speed and skill is a priority but you need guys with grit in that top nine. He’s going to be playing with pretty good players no matter what line he’s on. He’s going to be fine.
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Posted 2019-09-18 3:07 PM (#728029 - in reply to #724401)
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I think he's a solid bottom 6 piece. I just don't see his ceiling as high, but certainly welcome it if he can produce. The opportunity is way better for him here. He'll almost certainly be getting more ice time than he did in Winnipeg (you saw a huge bump even in his time here last year) and since the Rangers don't have as solid of a top 6 as the Jets do, the door is certainly open for him. I think his forechecking ability is going to be additive and as I said earlier he does draw a lot more penalties than he takes. I'm not sure there's 12 min per game for him this year, like there was last year, based on the forwards ahead of him so I'm estimating he gets about 10 min a game. If he ends up a 9 goal guy and can draw some penalties and make other teams pissed off, I'm happy. That also probably means he spends most of his time on the fourth line, and the top 6 is scoring in buckets so everyone is playing to their role.
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Posted 2019-09-19 7:53 AM (#728058 - in reply to #724401)
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Interesting the Byfuglien situation in Winnipeg contemplating retirement. I think down the road you will see more younger guys retiring while still able to play. The trend is signing the better players coming off their entry level deals to lucrative long term contracts. They are making so much money even players that only signed one entry level deal could retire after it expired with some good financial planning. But these guys signing these lucrative second contracts will have so much money at 29- 30 they might start wondering do they really want to have to go through the year round off ice and on ice training necessary to compete. At some point in time you say fuk it and want to eat and drink and relax. And that's where Byfuglien is probably at. Bank full of money and tired of putting in the work. No doubt he still enjoys playing the game, he's just sick of the life altering commitments necessary to play.
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Posted 2019-09-19 11:55 AM (#728065 - in reply to #724401)
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Yeah, buff is also 34 so it's not like he's retiring at 29. You are 100% right about guys getting signed out of entry level, although that really tends to be the higher profile guys. But definitely the stars are making more money, and a lot earlier, than they were pre-salary cap.

I don't know his personal situation but as guys get older they also get married, settle down, have kids in school... and they have to weigh this as well. You see it a lot with UFAs, they have to make decisions based on family and then hockey. When you're 25 it doesn't matter where you get traded you just want to have fun, win games, and get paid. 5 years changes a lot though.

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Posted 2019-09-19 12:09 PM (#728068 - in reply to #724401)
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The suggestion was its coming with these new rich younger contracts, guys won’t have a financial need to play as long as possible. . Byfuglien is still a top guy and leaving a ton of loot on the table. More will follow. 34 is young when your banking millions of $$ every year.
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Posted 2019-09-19 12:41 PM (#728069 - in reply to #724401)
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I see it differently... what's the difference between $66m and $80m? Is your lifestyle going to be better? Your wife going to get hotter? Your kids will be smarter? He's made enough money that his grandkids won't ever have to work a day in their lives. What's the point of more money?

If I'm in Buff's position I do the same thing... evaluate if the work he puts into it is going to be returned or if he's trading another year of his life for not much in return.
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Posted 2019-09-19 2:23 PM (#728071 - in reply to #728069)
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I see it differently... what's the difference between $66m and $80m? Is your lifestyle going to be better? Your wife going to get hotter? Your kids will be smarter? He's made enough money that his grandkids won't ever have to work a day in their lives. What's the point of more money?

If I'm in Buff's position I do the same thing... evaluate if the work he puts into it is going to be returned or if he's trading another year of his life for not much in return.




I’m not sure why you are seeing differently. I said “”The suggestion was its coming with these new rich younger contracts, guys won’t have a financial need to play as long as possible.””
Guys are going to retire earlier and it won’t matter how much they are leaving on the table like Byfugylien did and will retire younger.

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Posted 2019-09-20 11:17 AM (#728083 - in reply to #724401)
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Posted 2019-09-21 8:22 PM (#728114 - in reply to #724401)
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Posted 2019-09-21 8:23 PM (#728115 - in reply to #724401)
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Not too long ago people were saying Loosepeg is a Cup fav, how the mighty have fallen, that team is falling apart, Laine is also not happy:

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Posted 2019-09-22 5:16 AM (#728116 - in reply to #728114)
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"They chose to get rid of me and Vese, but that's their decision," Hayes said. "I'm sure it'll come back to them, we'll find out."

LOL... NOT.

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Posted 2019-09-22 5:30 AM (#728117 - in reply to #724401)
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He is full of BS. Every one knew he wanted to be UFA to go for the most $ out there.
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Posted 2019-09-22 10:44 AM (#728120 - in reply to #724401)
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Rangers would do the Hayes trade and resulting Trouba trade 100 times out of 100. Hayes is one of those guys that does just enough to get by. He and Chewy are a dream team.
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Posted 2019-09-24 10:47 AM (#728144 - in reply to #724401)
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Posted 2019-09-24 12:15 PM (#728145 - in reply to #724401)
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I have little doubts about first line production with any combo of Panarin, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Kreider and Kappo which leaves a couple good wings for a second line. Strome centering it would be my bet. The team success or failure is going to ride on Chytil, Andersson, Lemieux, Kravstov and Howden. The rest of the crew are going to bring what they bring. The defense is obviously a big question mark, if Trouba, Skjei, Staal, and DeAngelo can’t carry it the Rangers will bein a world of hurt as they also count on Fox? Lindgren? Hajek? To fill big roles. A lot of question marks, but personally I think it’s going to fall into place and they will push for the playoffs. Their fourth line will be crucial needing some nasty and rugged to offset the obvious skill upfront.
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Posted 2019-09-26 3:12 PM (#728173 - in reply to #724401)
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Strome is a fine fill in for 2C but if he's playing there that does not bode well for the wunderkinds who are supposed to be filling in there. Quinn has shown no hesitation to on-the-job training so the opportunity is there. D+3 is usually where kids start to put it together so I would hope Chytil or Andersson can eventually provide some stability here. I've seen Namestnikov's name as a suggestion here, which I like a little better because I think he's more skilled and a better playmaker than Strome and would complement whichever two wingers are left from your list above.

On defense, I have much fewer concerns with the personnel, even if the group does contain some of the old guard, my biggest worry here is Lindy Ruff. He's never proven himself capable of putting together a defense that didn't have Hasek behind it and I don't know why he still has a job.

Most models put the Rangers as finishing in the 85-90 point range, which is just on the outside of the bubble. Sounds about right to me.
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