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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-07-01 12:07 PM (#727044 - in reply to #727043)
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Mikey Red - 2019-07-01 10:49 AM

We are a playoff team right now


I agree Mikey... and if you remember I thought we would go after the bread man a long time ago... I am not unhappy.......
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Posted 2019-07-01 12:09 PM (#727045 - in reply to #726976)
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Saying signing a UFA having to fit a certain window to be worth it is like trying to time the stock market
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Posted 2019-07-01 12:33 PM (#727054 - in reply to #727045)
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Mikey Red - 2019-07-01 8:09 PM

Saying signing a UFA having to fit a certain window to be worth it is like trying to time the stock market

No it's not.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-07-01 12:39 PM (#727059 - in reply to #727054)
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Mikey Red - 2019-07-01 8:09 PM

Saying signing a UFA having to fit a certain window to be worth it is like trying to time the stock market

No it's not.

You try to improve your team every chance you get.
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Posted 2019-07-01 12:49 PM (#727064 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-01 12:51 PM (#727065 - in reply to #727041)
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Quinn - 2019-07-01 12:49 PM

I don't buy the he doesn't mesh with the rebuild stuff. You want to say 11.6 mill on the cap could cause concerns in 2 or 3 years, okay, but the mesh with rebuild is off base. The guy is 28 in October. If you say prime until 32 that gives him 5 seasons. We still rebuilding in 5 years? Also rememeber we have some big deals off the books in 2 years, and the cap will go up. Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, hank to name 4. So we have a ot of money coming off to balance it out.

Lastly, I have full faith in Gorton and JD. I trust them, and believe they have a sound plan.



There are a number of ways this could play out. I'm not saying it's a fail of Brad Richards proportions here, and if management doesn't expect another free agent of his caliber to be available in the next couple of years (a cursory look says, probably not) then I understand investing in the asset while planning for the depreciation. It's also not like a decline would be off a cliff, (hopefully), he'll probably keep a similar level of production for 2 years, and go from an 80 point player to a 70 point player for a couple of years, then he'll have another couple of 60 point years, etc.

While I have not been a rabid "sign Panarin" advocate in the past, one thing that does excite me is that at first glance, his game really complements Kakko's. If they find a little chemistry together it could be incredible. I do feel like we have a pretty big hole at 2C right now that I bet gets addressed this offseason, or if not i hope one of the kids steps up and takes the spot. But I haven't seen anything from Andersson, Chytil, Howden that says to me they're ready for that big of a jump yet.

Still, if it's, say, Chytil, that potentially makes your top 6, Kreider, Zbad, Buchnevich; Panarin, (Chytil), Kakko.

Their needs right now are LD and 2C. Bottom 6 will sort itself out.

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Posted 2019-07-01 12:55 PM (#727066 - in reply to #727064)
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robstones - 2019-07-01 2:49 PM

Lundqvist is winning himself a Stanley Cup! This team is going to be amazing!


I’m trying to remember, I think the last time we won the July Cup was when we signed Brad Richards.

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Posted 2019-07-01 1:18 PM (#727068 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-01 1:22 PM (#727071 - in reply to #727068)
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concust - 2019-07-01 3:18 PM

I still can't believe it took them that long to retire Bathgate's number.


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Posted 2019-07-01 1:24 PM (#727072 - in reply to #726976)
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I'm just glad they didn't retire 19 for both Ratelle and Richards. And Russ Courtnall
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Posted 2019-07-01 1:30 PM (#727074 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-01 1:40 PM (#727078 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-01 1:52 PM (#727080 - in reply to #727065)
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I don't buy the he doesn't mesh with the rebuild stuff. You want to say 11.6 mill on the cap could cause concerns in 2 or 3 years, okay, but the mesh with rebuild is off base. The guy is 28 in October. If you say prime until 32 that gives him 5 seasons. We still rebuilding in 5 years? Also rememeber we have some big deals off the books in 2 years, and the cap will go up. Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, hank to name 4. So we have a ot of money coming off to balance it out.

Lastly, I have full faith in Gorton and JD. I trust them, and believe they have a sound plan.



There are a number of ways this could play out. I'm not saying it's a fail of Brad Richards proportions here, and if management doesn't expect another free agent of his caliber to be available in the next couple of years (a cursory look says, probably not) then I understand investing in the asset while planning for the depreciation. It's also not like a decline would be off a cliff, (hopefully), he'll probably keep a similar level of production for 2 years, and go from an 80 point player to a 70 point player for a couple of years, then he'll have another couple of 60 point years, etc.

While I have not been a rabid "sign Panarin" advocate in the past, one thing that does excite me is that at first glance, his game really complements Kakko's. If they find a little chemistry together it could be incredible. I do feel like we have a pretty big hole at 2C right now that I bet gets addressed this offseason, or if not i hope one of the kids steps up and takes the spot. But I haven't seen anything from Andersson, Chytil, Howden that says to me they're ready for that big of a jump yet.

Still, if it's, say, Chytil, that potentially makes your top 6, Kreider, Zbad, Buchnevich; Panarin, (Chytil), Kakko.

Their needs right now are LD and 2C. Bottom 6 will sort itself out.


I agree with this. That's the beauty of Panarin, he is 28. To expect minimum 4 seasons of 70 + point production is very fair and reasonable, and I would say conservative. I think 5 is the likely number.

I also love that top 6, but will assume Kreider is gone and Kravtsov is in his place.

Either way I think we are a much better team today then we were 2 weeks ago. And while we may have given Panarin 500 K too much, I don't think it was a huge overpay given his skills and age.


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Posted 2019-07-01 2:29 PM (#727089 - in reply to #727064)
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robstones - 2019-07-01 12:49 PM

Lundqvist is winning himself a Stanley Cup! This team is going to be amazing!


I see you are a glass half full type of person.
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Posted 2019-07-01 4:05 PM (#727097 - in reply to #726976)
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I'm not sure the Rangers pursue Panarin or are able to discount his contract unless Davidson is selling the deal. So Davidson's first impact is a major league deal. And the ball is now firmly in Quinn's court. With Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov up front and Fox, Hajek, and possibly Lindgren on defense it is safe to say expectations of significant improvement will put the coaching under a lot more scrutiny this year.
I just hope Gorton is on board with all this, and has a plan in place for down the road. I'm not against Panarin just not sure he's the right player at the right time for the Rangers. He strikes me he is more of a add on final piece for a true contender than a cornerstone piece which the Rangers have just made him. Probably a whole lot of keeping him away from the Islanders also at work here.
Quinn will be hard at it harnessing all the talent that will break training camp this Fall. Go Rangers.

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Posted 2019-07-01 5:18 PM (#727101 - in reply to #726976)
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Panarin Zibanejad Buchnevich
Kreider Chytil Kravtsov
Namestvikov Howden Kakko
Lemieux Andersson Strome/Fast

Skjei Trouba
Staal Shattenkirk
Hajek DeAngelo
Lindgren Fox
Smith....

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Georgiev
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Look at this depth.... That roster needs to be trimmed... and it will be... but that is a really talented, young team. They can win.
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Posted 2019-07-01 5:19 PM (#727102 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-01 5:30 PM (#727103 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-01 6:20 PM (#727105 - in reply to #726976)
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We'll see what management does to trim it down a bit... but because of his veteran status (and salary) Shatty is ahead on the depth chart... IF he's still on the team in October, he probably deserves bottom pair.... but he DOES have a history with the coach, so something tells me they find a way to keep him... at least to start the season to see if he can finally be the player they intended him to be when they first signed him.

And really, I'm ok with that now that Trouba is here. Fox and DeAngelo still have to earn it.

Smith definitely has to go. There's just no room
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Posted 2019-07-01 6:47 PM (#727111 - in reply to #726976)
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DeAngelo was often the best Rangers defenseman last season and was the highest scoring. Play like he did last season and he will be again. He's got nothing to prove to anyone, he has already, he's a bonafide NHL defenseman. Most would suggest he's on track for another big step up the consistency game this season. . Fox has to make the team first before he gets in a DeAngelo conversation.
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Posted 2019-07-01 6:48 PM (#727112 - in reply to #726976)
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Panarin has 2 career hat tricks both against the NYR

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Posted 2019-07-01 7:26 PM (#727119 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-01 7:26 PM (#727120 - in reply to #726976)
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You have to figure Shattenkirk, Smith, and Kreider are gone. Everyone keeps penciling him into the lineup, but I don't see how that happens given the salary cap and Kreider's desire for 7 mill a year. He is gone I think.


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Posted 2019-07-02 12:05 AM (#727123 - in reply to #726976)
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I think he will be a great addition.. adding him .. and Kravstov.. and Kakko along with Fox Rykov Trouba and Shershorykin give the Rangers a potential to have add 5 very good parts to the team .. I mean the three forwards alone is adding a #1 line worth of players if they live up to expectations... so from a talent aspect ... WOW.. what a summer... I mean I would think if eveyrone plays as epxected the Rangers are one of he youngest most talente teams... so great job on the GM

My concern is when all these kids who re drafted he last couple years want to get paid at about the same time.. there will be a few years where Miller Rykov Fox Lundkvist Sheryorkin kakko Kravstov Chytil Howden Anderson will all be asking for money... and having 11 milliion in one player will be tough... especially at 33 and 34.. but who knows what the cap is now..

I do like the signing but the money and term seems too big when you think you could have gotten Duchene for 8 million who is a solid player too.. time will telll ..
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Posted 2019-07-02 12:10 AM (#727124 - in reply to #727120)
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Quinn - 2019-07-01 11:26 AM

You have to figure Shattenkirk, Smith, and Kreider are gone. Everyone keeps penciling him into the lineup, but I don't see how that happens given the salary cap and Kreider's desire for 7 mill a year. He is gone I think.




I think you HAVE to move Shattenkirk.. trade him and Dallas' 3 rounder from the Zucc trade and get back a 5th rounder .. as long as they take his total salary.. Ottawa has room.. and MIGHT give it a think.. only 2 years left... Smith I would have thought was going to be bought out.. and Kreider I would think it would be a sign if you can sign and trade if you cant.. hope he has a great free agent year and move him to a contender for a first rounder or prime prospect...
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Posted 2019-07-02 3:22 AM (#727127 - in reply to #727101)
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robstones - 2019-07-02 1:18 AM

Panarin Zibanejad Buchnevich
Kreider Chytil Kravtsov
Namestvikov Howden Kakko
Lemieux Andersson Strome/Fast

Skjei Trouba
Staal Shattenkirk
Hajek DeAngelo
Lindgren Fox
Smith....

Lundqvist
Georgiev
Shestyorkin

Look at this depth.... That roster needs to be trimmed... and it will be... but that is a really talented, young team. They can win.

What depth? Chytil and Andersson have not proven yet that they consistently belong.
Howden we'll see, the injury set him back a bit.
Buchnevich hasn't been consistent either. Zibanejad is not a bonafide #1 center.
Kakko and Kravtsov haven't licked NHL ice yet.
Neither have Hajek, Lindgren and Fox.

So again...what depth are we talking about here?
Aside from the Panarin signing, I am indeed very excited about the potential in the organization which we haven't seen in years.

But how people make it a sure-fire thing is beyond me.
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Posted 2019-07-02 5:03 AM (#727128 - in reply to #726976)
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Quinn - 2019-07-01 9:26 PM

You have to figure Shattenkirk, Smith, and Kreider are gone. Everyone keeps penciling him into the lineup, but I don't see how that happens given the salary cap and Kreider's desire for 7 mill a year. He is gone I think.




Brooks (I know, I know) makes a case that we need Kreider more than ever. Doable, IF he has a great season (30+ goals, 30+ assists). Playing on a line with Kappo, very doable. Trade Fast to AV, bury Smith and Nieves, do or die for Andersson add Kratsov and Rygor, maybe Lindgren and of course, GET SHATTENKIRK OUT OF HERE.
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Posted 2019-07-02 5:20 AM (#727130 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-02 5:26 AM (#727131 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:17 AM (#727135 - in reply to #727120)
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Quinn - 2019-07-01 8:26 PM

You have to figure Shattenkirk, Smith, and Kreider are gone. Everyone keeps penciling him into the lineup, but I don't see how that happens given the salary cap and Kreider's desire for 7 mill a year. He is gone I think.




Now that I look at the cap situation it'll take some serious maneuvering to keep Kreider even this season. Beyond this season, I agree he's 100% gone.

As of now we still need to sign RFAs Trouba, Buchnevich, Lemieux, Deangelo and I expect them all to stay. We have a little over $8m in space, so that's obviously not enough. I expect one of Kreider, Namestnikov, Strome to be on the move soon.

Next year we get about $2.5m back in cap space from the Girardi buyout so that will help too.
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:27 AM (#727136 - in reply to #726976)
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For reference, projected cap hits for our RFA:

Trouba: $7.2m (rumored $7.5m)
DeAngelo: $4.6m
Buchnevich $2.8m
Lemieux $1.0m
Lettieri $850k
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Posted 2019-07-02 8:19 AM (#727142 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-02 9:12 AM (#727147 - in reply to #727112)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-07-01 8:48 PM

Panarin has 2 career hat tricks both against the NYR
So now he is fakd.
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Posted 2019-07-02 10:07 AM (#727153 - in reply to #727136)
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concust - 2019-07-02 7:27 AM

For reference, projected cap hits for our RFA:

Trouba: $7.2m (rumored $7.5m)
DeAngelo: $4.6m
Buchnevich $2.8m
Lemieux $1.0m
Lettieri $850k


Who is projecting DeAngelo at that price? The justification would be?
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