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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2019-07-02 11:14 AM (#727156 - in reply to #727123)
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My concern is when all these kids who re drafted he last couple years want to get paid at about the same time.. there will be a few years where Miller Rykov Fox Lundkvist Sheryorkin kakko Kravstov Chytil Howden Anderson will all be asking for money... and having 11 milliion in one player will be tough... especially at 33 and 34.. but who knows what the cap is now..

I do like the signing but the money and term seems too big when you think you could have gotten Duchene for 8 million who is a solid player too.. time will telll ..


Yo Beezer hope all is well down Under... If all those players listed above earned pay raises in a few years, that means the Rangers are going to have a few great years ahead of us .. plus, they can move a few here and there to keep young cheaper talent moving through in the mid-late 2020’s .... that’s a whole lot of chips.
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Posted 2019-07-02 3:00 PM (#727159 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-02 3:14 PM (#727160 - in reply to #727153)
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For reference, projected cap hits for our RFA:

Trouba: $7.2m (rumored $7.5m)
DeAngelo: $4.6m
Buchnevich $2.8m
Lemieux $1.0m
Lettieri $850k


Who is projecting DeAngelo at that price? The justification would be?


That's from Evolving Wild's contract predictions based off a mathematical model of all previous contract signed in the past 3 years. You can read the full methodology here,
https://hockey-graphs.com/2019/05/17/projecting-nhl-skater-contracts...

For reference,
Skjei got $5.25per over 6 years coming off ELC (2018)
McDonagh got $4.7m over 6 years coming off his ELC (2013)

Deangelo emerged as a top 4 defenseman on this team with his play at both ends of the ice. I still think he has some "maturity issues" to work out but Quinn has been very good about keeping him on the right track. The counterargument to giving him that $4.6m is that he had a good season, but needs another "prove it" year, which I would lean towards doing (personally) but based off last year it's not unreasonable for a 23 year old RHD who's coming off a 0.5PPG pace to command a salary like that.

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Posted 2019-07-02 3:35 PM (#727162 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-02 3:38 PM (#727163 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-02 5:51 PM (#727164 - in reply to #727160)
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For reference, projected cap hits for our RFA:

Trouba: $7.2m (rumored $7.5m)
DeAngelo: $4.6m
Buchnevich $2.8m
Lemieux $1.0m
Lettieri $850k


Who is projecting DeAngelo at that price? The justification would be?


That's from Evolving Wild's contract predictions based off a mathematical model of all previous contract signed in the past 3 years. You can read the full methodology here,
https://hockey-graphs.com/2019/05/17/projecting-nhl-skater-contracts...

For reference,
Skjei got $5.25per over 6 years coming off ELC (2018)
McDonagh got $4.7m over 6 years coming off his ELC (2013)

Deangelo emerged as a top 4 defenseman on this team with his play at both ends of the ice. I still think he has some "maturity issues" to work out but Quinn has been very good about keeping him on the right track. The counterargument to giving him that $4.6m is that he had a good season, but needs another "prove it" year, which I would lean towards doing (personally) but based off last year it's not unreasonable for a 23 year old RHD who's coming off a 0.5PPG pace to command a salary like that.



I'm sure there is a formula, but when you spent as much if not more time not playing during your elc, your point pace shouldn't weigh as much. I liked his game last year and thought he was under utilized, but $4+ million with no real track record? I think someone needs to recheck their formula.
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:08 PM (#727165 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:14 PM (#727166 - in reply to #726976)
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If DeAngelo wants anywhere near 4 million a year.... see ya! Adam Fox will gladly step in.
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:16 PM (#727167 - in reply to #726976)
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Hopefully Breadman is Not Redden Holik Gomez Drury Richards Dan Boyle Shattenkirk......hopefully this time is different
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:17 PM (#727168 - in reply to #727166)
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robstones - 2019-07-02 9:14 PM

If DeAngelo wants anywhere near 4 million a year.... see ya! Adam Fox will gladly step in.

ADA not ready for 4 mil yet but he is going nowhere....He is a Ranger
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:25 PM (#727169 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:41 PM (#727170 - in reply to #726976)
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I had to rewind it to make sure I heard it right....He said Trouba ia more of a 3-4 D man than a 1-2.....I'd like to ask him what Ranger D he is watching?
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:46 PM (#727171 - in reply to #726976)
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Trouba played on the top pair for The Jets.... it's where he'll be for us, too....
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Posted 2019-07-02 7:52 PM (#727172 - in reply to #727170)
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I had to rewind it to make sure I heard it right....He said Trouba ia more of a 3-4 D man than a 1-2.....I'd like to ask him what Ranger D he is watching?


I was referring to having more leadership on the team, north american players. I still don't see a real leader on this team. You need this, & the Rangers still don't have this. And, the team still doesn't have any one with any real experience &/or rings. You look at Carolina how big of a role Williams played for that team.

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Posted 2019-07-02 7:52 PM (#727173 - in reply to #727168)
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robstones - 2019-07-02 9:14 PM

If DeAngelo wants anywhere near 4 million a year.... see ya! Adam Fox will gladly step in.

ADA not ready for 4 mil yet but he is going nowhere....He is a Ranger


He's not going anywhere because that 4 million figure is wrong. He'll get the show me bridge deal of 2 years at 2 million at most! Even that is a stretch...

Out of a possible 246 possible games played over 3 seasons, he's only played 132 games... Just under half of his time in the NHL has been as a healthy scratch.

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Posted 2019-07-02 8:08 PM (#727174 - in reply to #727173)
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robstones - 2019-07-02 9:14 PM

If DeAngelo wants anywhere near 4 million a year.... see ya! Adam Fox will gladly step in.

ADA not ready for 4 mil yet but he is going nowhere....He is a Ranger


He's not going anywhere because that 4 million figure is wrong. He'll get the show me bridge deal of 2 years at 2 million at most! Even that is a stretch...

Out of a possible 246 possible games played over 3 seasons, he's only played 132 games... Just under half of his time in the NHL has been as a healthy scratch.


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Posted 2019-07-02 8:09 PM (#727175 - in reply to #727172)
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I had to rewind it to make sure I heard it right....He said Trouba ia more of a 3-4 D man than a 1-2.....I'd like to ask him what Ranger D he is watching?


I was referring to having more leadership on the team, north american players. I still don't see a real leader on this team. You need this, & the Rangers still don't have this. And, the team still doesn't have any one with any real experience &/or rings. You look at Carolina how big of a role Williams played for that team.

Yea I hear ya....the Trouba thing really caught my attention.....Vally lost points with that one...bring back Duguay
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Posted 2019-07-02 9:49 PM (#727177 - in reply to #726976)
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DeAngelo is not signing for in your words Rob a $2,000,000 stretch. That's not a stretch it's a joke. Your games played stat is twisted to suit your stretch. 30 some odd games first two years and a jump to 62 last year 4 goals 26 assists, and 19 minutes a game, and more often than not was the Rangers best defenseman. The kid can flat out play. Maturity issues not surprising in some young players, he's coming along, and likely takes another leap in play this year. If he signs a bridge deal and likely will, it will be closer to $4,000,000 than $2,000,000 which is laughable.
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Posted 2019-07-03 8:27 AM (#727178 - in reply to #727164)
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I'm sure there is a formula, but when you spent as much if not more time not playing during your elc, your point pace shouldn't weigh as much. I liked his game last year and thought he was under utilized, but $4+ million with no real track record? I think someone needs to recheck their formula.


It's less a prediction of what he will get, and more a model of what he should based on previously signed contracts in similar circumstances.

There's plenty of other factors that simply don't fit a mathematical model. The other numbers it spit out seem to be in line with what most people think - Hayes at $5.7 seems much more in line than the $7m he got. Zucc contract was about right based on his age and production. The number for Trouba is a little low, but again that's based on circumstantial factors - paying a premium in NY, what the term ends up being, etc. For 77 I think he still needs a "prove it" deal because unlike Skjei and McDonagh, his body of work during his ELC as not as consistent. So I'm guessing one year at a higher hit, or a two year deal at a discount.
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Posted 2019-07-03 8:52 AM (#727179 - in reply to #726976)
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Skjei had plenty of warts after his ELC expired, and the Rangers chose to ignore them and bet on his upside long term, which in hindsight has not been a real good bet. Skjei has some work to do to live up to his contract. DeAngelo's biggest contract impediment is his attitude which according to many is in need of adjustment. I think Quinn has a good start on that last year sitting DeAngelo and getting through to him he has to change. A two year show us contract of $3,500,000 per is probably where he is going to end up. Sets him up financially for life while he works at the big raise for his next contract. personally I think he's going to have a huge year with the new talent up front to work with.
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Posted 2019-07-03 9:42 AM (#727180 - in reply to #727179)
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Skjei had plenty of warts after his ELC expired, and the Rangers chose to ignore them and bet on his upside long term, which in hindsight has not been a real good bet. Skjei has some work to do to live up to his contract. DeAngelo's biggest contract impediment is his attitude which according to many is in need of adjustment. I think Quinn has a good start on that last year sitting DeAngelo and getting through to him he has to change. A two year show us contract of $3,500,000 per is probably where he is going to end up. Sets him up financially for life while he works at the big raise for his next contract. personally I think he's going to have a huge year with the new talent up front to work with.


I think it'll end up being a one year at a higher rate, personally, which is fair for both parties. The downside to this approach for the Rangers is that they're betting against themselves - if he has a great year, they have to pony up, and if he doesn't, well your asset has depreciated. My bet is the former though, with all the talent up front and coming to the PP, that should give a healthy boost to 77's offensive numbers, and offensive numbers are going to be the first thing you look at when you judge his worth.
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Posted 2019-07-03 11:26 AM (#727181 - in reply to #726976)
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2 years is also a fair term giving DeAngelo more financial security for a bridge deal. I fail to see the distance between Skjei on a contract with term paying him for what he might be, and DeAngelo on a one year show me contract. DeAngelo isn't that much less of a player than Skjei was when he reupped, if he even is. Quite a disparity in deals for DeAngelo's agent to approve.

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Posted 2019-07-03 11:46 AM (#727182 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-03 11:52 AM (#727183 - in reply to #726976)
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Well, he doesn't shy away from attention this is already obvious. He said he wanted a big market, you got it, let's see...

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Posted 2019-07-03 11:57 AM (#727184 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-03 3:50 PM (#727185 - in reply to #726976)
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DeAngelo barely made the NHL last season. He's lucky if he gets 1.8.
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Posted 2019-07-03 4:13 PM (#727186 - in reply to #726976)
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Posted 2019-07-03 5:12 PM (#727187 - in reply to #727185)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-07-03 2:50 PM

DeAngelo barely made the NHL last season. He's lucky if he gets 1.8.




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Posted 2019-07-03 5:41 PM (#727188 - in reply to #727187)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-07-03 2:50 PM

DeAngelo barely made the NHL last season. He's lucky if he gets 1.8.




Haha laugh a post is back.
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Posted 2019-07-03 8:44 PM (#727189 - in reply to #726976)
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I am not sure how D'Anegllo makes that much money.. 4.6 ....wow... I was thinking more in a high 2.5 at BEST..... YES he was he Rangers dman.. but that was not saying much... if he did not end up on his stomach most night it meant he was the best.... when Staal at over 30 is the next best... I think the bar was low.... and I think he is a good player and would like to keep him .. but 4.6.... is a LOT of him... and I think comparing McDonaugh coming out of an ELC contract and him are different... but having said that I do not think Skeji is worth the money he i making either....
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Posted 2019-07-03 8:47 PM (#727190 - in reply to #727156)
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My concern is when all these kids who re drafted he last couple years want to get paid at about the same time.. there will be a few years where Miller Rykov Fox Lundkvist Sheryorkin kakko Kravstov Chytil Howden Anderson will all be asking for money... and having 11 milliion in one player will be tough... especially at 33 and 34.. but who knows what the cap is now..

I do like the signing but the money and term seems too big when you think you could have gotten Duchene for 8 million who is a solid player too.. time will telll ..


Yo Beezer hope all is well down Under... If all those players listed above earned pay raises in a few years, that means the Rangers are going to have a few great years ahead of us .. plus, they can move a few here and there to keep young cheaper talent moving through in the mid-late 2020’s .... that’s a whole lot of chips.


I know and by 2022 Staal and Hank and Shattenkirk and Smith and Kreider and namestienkov all come off and that is what 32 million give or take.. I just see if all things go as planned the Rangers have some 10plus million players in Kravstov.. and kakko alone... but you never know.
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Posted 2019-07-04 3:10 AM (#727191 - in reply to #727189)
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I am not sure how D'Anegllo makes that much money.. 4.6 ....wow... I was thinking more in a high 2.5 at BEST..... YES he was he Rangers dman.. but that was not saying much... if he did not end up on his stomach most night it meant he was the best.... when Staal at over 30 is the next best... I think the bar was low.... and I think he is a good player and would like to keep him .. but 4.6.... is a LOT of him... and I think comparing McDonaugh coming out of an ELC contract and him are different... but having said that I do not think Skeji is worth the money he i making either....


Because most of the posters on this board are morons. They have no clue how to run a team like Gorton does. Imbecile GM's like the Flyers pay young players tons of money when they don't have to. Excellent GM's like Gorton don't do that. DeAngelo has played 132 NHL games and has done very little with them. Over 4 million. Please you asshats. Rranger, otherwise known as Chuck on another board was the same dickwad who wanted the Rangers to trade away all their first round picks every year for rentals that never won the team a cup. Thank God we don't have a GM with dumbass philosophies on how to build a team.

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Posted 2019-07-04 7:30 AM (#727193 - in reply to #727191)
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Beezer34 - 2019-07-03 8:44 PM

I am not sure how D'Anegllo makes that much money.. 4.6 ....wow... I was thinking more in a high 2.5 at BEST..... YES he was he Rangers dman.. but that was not saying much... if he did not end up on his stomach most night it meant he was the best.... when Staal at over 30 is the next best... I think the bar was low.... and I think he is a good player and would like to keep him .. but 4.6.... is a LOT of him... and I think comparing McDonaugh coming out of an ELC contract and him are different... but having said that I do not think Skeji is worth the money he i making either....


Because most of the posters on this board are morons. They have no clue how to run a team like Gorton does. Imbecile GM's like the Flyers pay young players tons of money when they don't have to. Excellent GM's like Gorton don't do that. DeAngelo has played 132 NHL games and has done very little with them. Over 4 million. Please you asshats. Rranger, otherwise known as Chuck on another board was the same dickwad who wanted the Rangers to trade away all their first round picks every year for rentals that never won the team a cup. Thank God we don't have a GM with dumbass philosophies on how to build a team.





I'm not on any other boards chip, Not sure who your imaginary friend "chuck" is. I'm sure you enjoy making things up to post, since your to dense to post reality.
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Posted 2019-07-04 9:35 AM (#727194 - in reply to #726976)
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Then you ran away from that board like a little bitch after years of your stupid go for it now trades resulted in squat other than a crap farm system and a mess for Gorton to fix. You couldn't take the criticism like a pansy there Chuck.

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