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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2019-07-19 1:54 PM (#727328)
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So we have to sign Trouba...My guess is he is going to get morth of $7M per.

That will eat up all of the cap we have remaining and maybe then some.

Then what?

Shattenkirk has an NMC and nobody wants him.

Do you let Buch walk?

You can waive and or assign Names and B Smith

gives us plenty to sign Trouba, Lemiuex and Tony D.

Am I missing something? Some banana peels for Shattenkirk?




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Posted 2019-07-19 2:06 PM (#727329 - in reply to #727328)
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Not sure. I'd try trades even if I had to eat contract or give up some assets(just nothing major) I'm against buyouts, though if they have to go that way Smith or Staal would have to be the ones on defense. Shatt's hit is to big next year. It would be over $5 million.
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Posted 2019-07-19 2:45 PM (#727332 - in reply to #727328)
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Trouba signed, 7 years $8m per.
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Posted 2019-07-19 2:47 PM (#727333 - in reply to #727328)
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Posted 2019-07-19 2:47 PM (#727334 - in reply to #727328)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-07-19 3:54 PM

So we have to sign Trouba...My guess is he is going to get morth of $7M per.

That will eat up all of the cap we have remaining and maybe then some.

Then what?

Shattenkirk has an NMC and nobody wants him.

Do you let Buch walk?

You can waive and or assign Names and B Smith

gives us plenty to sign Trouba, Lemiuex and Tony D.

Am I missing something? Some banana peels for Shattenkirk?



You ask for things.....you get things
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Posted 2019-07-19 2:54 PM (#727335 - in reply to #727328)
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It's a slight overpay but I'd rather overpay for a 25 year old first pair defenseman than pay $1m to a fourth line journeyman tough guy.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-07-19 3:09 PM (#727337 - in reply to #727328)
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Rranger
Posted 2019-07-19 4:15 PM (#727338 - in reply to #727328)
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It's a good deal for the Rangers. That's the cost of your go to guy, if he's not a go yo guy then it's a overpay and it's on the Rangers braintrust. Unfortunately the Rangers have a terrible record handing out big contracts to new defensemen, or acquiring overpaid ones.
It was the one thing Gorton undoubtably wanted tied down before the rest of the dominoes fall.
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scthockey2294
Posted 2019-07-19 4:17 PM (#727339 - in reply to #727328)
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Only thing is now there is negative leverage in ANY trade for a Names, Strome, Kreider, Buch etc.

We didn’t have much at all before, but with the cap all gone...NEGATIVE leverage...if Names was moved prior to the signing we probably get more in return for our future trades if indeed we make them.

I’d like Buch & Strome to stay & we move Names and buyout Shatt and burry Smith
I’d like Kreider to stay but not for $7+...However, do you really think Kreider won’t be a 60+ point guy playing with Zib & Panarin if healthy?

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Posted 2019-07-19 4:44 PM (#727340 - in reply to #727328)
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I wouldn't be at all, suprised the next domino falls in the next day or two.
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Posted 2019-07-19 4:47 PM (#727341 - in reply to #727339)
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scthockey2294 - 2019-07-19 4:17 PM

Only thing is now there is negative leverage in ANY trade for a Names, Strome, Kreider, Buch etc.

We didn’t have much at all before, but with the cap all gone...NEGATIVE leverage...if Names was moved prior to the signing we probably get more in return for our future trades if indeed we make them.

I’d like Buch & Strome to stay & we move Names and buyout Shatt and burry Smith
I’d like Kreider to stay but not for $7+...However, do you really think Kreider won’t be a 60+ point guy playing with Zib & Panarin if healthy?


I'm sorry but I'm not buying this. You're saying all of us fans know this but all the NHL GMs didn't? Once they signed Panarin everyone knew the Rangers had to make trades or buy guys out to become compliant. With a hearing date the pressure was there. Now the date is gone and the pressure is actually relieved a bit because the Rangers have buyout options. July 25th means nothing now. Buying out Shatt is a horrible idea. His hit next season goes up to $5+ million. Almost anything you can do to trade him is a better idea. Staal is a much better buyout candidate but even that won't be enough. They have to make multiple moves.
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Posted 2019-07-19 5:20 PM (#727342 - in reply to #727341)
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Vua - 2019-07-19 4:47 PM

scthockey2294 - 2019-07-19 4:17 PM

Only thing is now there is negative leverage in ANY trade for a Names, Strome, Kreider, Buch etc.

We didn’t have much at all before, but with the cap all gone...NEGATIVE leverage...if Names was moved prior to the signing we probably get more in return for our future trades if indeed we make them.

I’d like Buch & Strome to stay & we move Names and buyout Shatt and burry Smith
I’d like Kreider to stay but not for $7+...However, do you really think Kreider won’t be a 60+ point guy playing with Zib & Panarin if healthy?


I'm sorry but I'm not buying this. You're saying all of us fans know this but all the NHL GMs didn't? Once they signed Panarin everyone knew the Rangers had to make trades or buy guys out to become compliant. With a hearing date the pressure was there. Now the date is gone and the pressure is actually relieved a bit because the Rangers have buyout options. July 25th means nothing now. Buying out Shatt is a horrible idea. His hit next season goes up to $5+ million. Almost anything you can do to trade him is a better idea. Staal is a much better buyout candidate but even that won't be enough. They have to make multiple moves.




There’s little chance Shattenkirk is moved this offseason.

It’s a fact they could have gotten more for there potential tradeable players if they made those trades earlier in the offseason. Personally I think Names is gonna be a salary dump to a decent team and that’s really it.

You’re clearly right about the Panarin situation. However, if they move 1/2 guys before the Trouba signing...they have slightly more leverage for gaining better assets, not much but some.
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Posted 2019-07-19 6:26 PM (#727343 - in reply to #727328)
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I also think more than I think he is worth, but young D-men will cost $$$. He still has room to improve.
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Posted 2019-07-19 9:19 PM (#727344 - in reply to #727328)
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I think he got what the going rate is as that has been rapidly escalating every year. You can not compare his contract to one signed two years ago by who you assume is a comparable player. It's very hard if not impossible to compare any two players unless your just looking at stats. And stats are not the only criteria GM's use to establish contract value. Intangibles with no measuring stick, only appreciation by team members and management are a significant part of a contract negotiation. Trouba brings a ton of intangibles along with excellent stats. He's the best Ranger defenseman by a mile.
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Posted 2019-07-19 9:26 PM (#727345 - in reply to #727339)
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scthockey2294 - 2019-07-19 3:17 PM

Only thing is now there is negative leverage in ANY trade for a Names, Strome, Kreider, Buch etc.

We didn’t have much at all before, but with the cap all gone...NEGATIVE leverage...if Names was moved prior to the signing we probably get more in return for our future trades if indeed we make them.

I’d like Buch & Strome to stay & we move Names and buyout Shatt and burry Smith
I’d like Kreider to stay but not for $7+...However, do you really think Kreider won’t be a 60+ point guy playing with Zib & Panarin if healthy?



Opposing teams are not going to turn down a deal that helps their team. It's up to Gorton to make an attractive option for a team to acquire anyone of the rumoured players the Rangers will move. Theres been a lot worse contracts moved than Shattenkirk and Smith. I believe the Rangers want to move their weakest link which is Shattenkirk. And until Gorton exhausts all Shattenkirk and Smith's movement possibilities no one else is going anywhere.

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Posted 2019-07-20 9:46 AM (#727346 - in reply to #727328)
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Staal to Minnesota to play with brother Eric? Fast to Philly? Take late picks for either/both.
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Posted 2019-07-20 10:07 AM (#727347 - in reply to #727346)
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NTHockey - 2019-07-20 8:46 AM

Staal to Minnesota to play with brotheo
r Eric? Fast to Philly? Take late picks for either/both.




Here is a good article about teams with cap room. Ottawa is a team the Rangers have done business with and would make a good partner. I don't think the flyers or pilses are going to help anytime soon but other teams have cap room and might do something. Gorton just has to make it work to dump Shattenkirk and Smith and their cap hits. There will be pain losing picks and or prospects to do it. But in this case you have to bite the bullet. Fast being traded in and of itself doesnt provide much cap relief but included in a trade with Smith or Shattenkirk might be useful.



https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-salary-cap-space-floor-weapo...

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Posted 2019-07-21 5:47 AM (#727348 - in reply to #727328)
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Interesting story on offer sheet deal that almost brought Joe Sakic to Manhattan, and Neal Smith confesses on the deal he f'd up and regretted the most.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/20/ex-rangers-exec-gives-inside-take-on-n...
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Posted 2019-07-21 8:37 AM (#727349 - in reply to #727328)
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We are right back st it with overpaying for Trouba and Panarin.Now everyone thinks we will win and at worst conference finals.
In two years you will be burning Panarin’ jersey given you bought one.(I wouldn’t take his jersey even for free)
Weren’t there high hopes here when we got Smith and the Rangers organization followed this board’s high hopes and gave Smith ridiculous contract.

Hayes- he wanted to play here - gone
Vesey- same as above - achieved nothing and went to nowhere.
Shattenkirk- same as above - he is still here but is he?
Smith - we wanted him so badly and now we still want him so badly but to LEAVE!
Buchnevich- let him walk - floater - he does not bleed our colors and he never will.

Sign Kreider.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2019-07-21 9:21 AM (#727350 - in reply to #727328)
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Shut the hell up you drama queen. Panarin is one of the best players in the game you dumb bastard. As far as Trouba goes. The team had three small righty defenseman in Fox, DeAngelo and Pionk and a righty who blows here in Shattenkirk. No big righty defenseman in the system. A ton of cap room is coming off the books in Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith and Hank pretty soon. So, these two contracts are not a problem.
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Posted 2019-07-21 9:39 AM (#727351 - in reply to #727328)
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Lol!

Bolshevik is out.You have an internet in a cave? Take your pills and be nice to your keyboard man/women.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-07-21 9:40 AM (#727352 - in reply to #727348)
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RANGERNUT - 2019-07-21 7:47 AM

Interesting story on offer sheet deal that almost brought Joe Sakic to Manhattan, and Neal Smith confesses on the deal he f'd up and regretted the most.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/20/ex-rangers-exec-gives-inside-take-on-n...

Good story....Smith F'd up more than the Nordstrom trade
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Posted 2019-07-21 9:44 AM (#727353 - in reply to #727352)
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Mikey Red - 2019-07-21 11:40 AM

RANGERNUT - 2019-07-21 7:47 AM

Interesting story on offer sheet deal that almost brought Joe Sakic to Manhattan, and Neal Smith confesses on the deal he f'd up and regretted the most.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/20/ex-rangers-exec-gives-inside-take-on-n...

Good story....Smith F'd up more than the Nordstrom trade
It was well beyond dumb trade.It showed that he had no place in hockey business.Worst GM ever.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-07-21 11:24 AM (#727354 - in reply to #727353)
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Blue404 - 2019-07-21 11:44 AM

Mikey Red - 2019-07-21 11:40 AM

RANGERNUT - 2019-07-21 7:47 AM

Interesting story on offer sheet deal that almost brought Joe Sakic to Manhattan, and Neal Smith confesses on the deal he f'd up and regretted the most.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/20/ex-rangers-exec-gives-inside-take-on-n...

Good story....Smith F'd up more than the Nordstrom trade
It was well beyond dumb trade.It showed that he had no place in hockey business.Worst GM ever.
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Rranger
Posted 2019-07-21 2:47 PM (#727355 - in reply to #727354)
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Mikey Red - 2019-07-21 10:24 AM

Blue404 - 2019-07-21 11:44 AM

Mikey Red - 2019-07-21 11:40 AM

RANGERNUT - 2019-07-21 7:47 AM

Interesting story on offer sheet deal that almost brought Joe Sakic to Manhattan, and Neal Smith confesses on the deal he f'd up and regretted the most.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/20/ex-rangers-exec-gives-inside-take-on-n...

Good story....Smith F'd up more than the Nordstrom trade
It was well beyond dumb trade.It showed that he had no place in hockey business.Worst GM ever.





When the only team that hired you for 1/2 a season or so since being fired by the Rangers was the pilselanders what does that tell you. Smith still trying to get back into hockey. He should have taken a Asst job long ago, he might have got back to being a GM. The guy is blackballed. Give it up Smitty no one is hiring you.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-07-21 5:21 PM (#727356 - in reply to #727328)
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#NHLJets have agreed to terms with defenceman Neal Pionk on a two-year contract with an average annual value of $3,000,000.
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Posted 2019-07-21 6:11 PM (#727357 - in reply to #727328)
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3 mill for Pionk lol
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-07-21 6:33 PM (#727358 - in reply to #727328)
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Posted 2019-07-21 7:19 PM (#727359 - in reply to #727358)
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Their are bloggers ect talking about Lemieux and DeAngelo signing for $1,000,000. Good luck with that, pretty sure DeAngelo's agent caught what Pionk signed for. No negotiating leverage or not there is still reasonable. Be interesting to see what he gets. Kids got a lot of talent and Quinn did a nice job with him. A good candidate for the right four year deal that depending on the money should be excellent value for the last two three years. In today's NHL the right bridge deal is where the bargains can be had. I'd be suprised the Rangers don't try for three, four years with him and Lemieux. Two year contracts with either one could be very shortsided, and if you think they will have a good growth in their game, then your going to be talking a big increase after only two years. Perfect time for as long a bridge as you can get them for if you believe in them. I think both will have good and long careers.
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Posted 2019-07-21 10:47 PM (#727360 - in reply to #727356)
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Wow. That's a lot.
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Posted 2019-07-22 6:32 AM (#727361 - in reply to #727359)
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Their are bloggers ect talking about Lemieux and DeAngelo signing for $1,000,000. Good luck with that, pretty sure DeAngelo's agent caught what Pionk signed for. No negotiating leverage or not there is still reasonable. Be interesting to see what he gets. Kids got a lot of talent and Quinn did a nice job with him. A good candidate for the right four year deal that depending on the money should be excellent value for the last two three years. In today's NHL the right bridge deal is where the bargains can be had. I'd be suprised the Rangers don't try for three, four years with him and Lemieux. Two year contracts with either one could be very shortsided, and if you think they will have a good growth in their game, then your going to be talking a big increase after only two years. Perfect time for as long a bridge as you can get them for if you believe in them. I think both will have good and long careers.


If you give Lemieux or DeAngelo anything more than two years, they will become UFA's at the end of the deal. It doesn't make sense to give them anything more than two years.

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Posted 2019-07-22 7:10 AM (#727364 - in reply to #727361)
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Mikey Red - 2019-07-21 5:33 PM

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Their are bloggers ect talking about Lemieux and DeAngelo signing for $1,000,000. Good luck with that, pretty sure DeAngelo's agent caught what Pionk signed for. No negotiating leverage or not there is still reasonable. Be interesting to see what he gets. Kids got a lot of talent and Quinn did a nice job with him. A good candidate for the right four year deal that depending on the money should be excellent value for the last two three years. In today's NHL the right bridge deal is where the bargains can be had. I'd be suprised the Rangers don't try for three, four years with him and Lemieux. Two year contracts with either one could be very shortsided, and if you think they will have a good growth in their game, then your going to be talking a big increase after only two years. Perfect time for as long a bridge as you can get them for if you believe in them. I think both will have good and long careers.


If you give Lemieux or DeAngelo anything more than two years, they will become UFA's at the end of the deal. It doesn't make sense to give them anything more than two years.







You are correct scratch four years go for three years. Rangers need him and Lemieux to make a leap this year.

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Posted 2019-07-22 9:28 AM (#727365 - in reply to #727328)
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Looking at the cap situation around the league and a need for a RD, Anaheim has both need and space. They owe us for Emerson Eterm.
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Posted 2019-07-22 2:50 PM (#727367 - in reply to #727358)
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Mikey Red - 2019-07-21 6:33 PM

ADA should ask for 5 now


Moron
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Posted 2019-07-22 3:09 PM (#727368 - in reply to #727358)
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Pionk is better than ADA?
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