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Posted 2019-10-25 12:26 PM (#728987)
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Back to KHL. Attitude problem?

https://www.tsn.ca/report-rangers-kravtsov-returns-to-khl-1.1386996
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2019-10-25 12:34 PM (#728988 - in reply to #728987)
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Hey, not every one is a McDavid, if you think & expect to dominate in NHL just like that, it will be an easy transition, better think again, you better off taking a step back & make sure next time you are ready for it.
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Posted 2019-10-25 1:25 PM (#728989 - in reply to #728987)
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We can only guess as to the details, but this certainly doesn't have a good look for his longer term viability as an NHLer. We can hope he lights up the KHL and comes back next year at lights up camp, but if you're going to stumble at your first hurdle, then one has to wonder whether he's mature enough, or committed enough to the NHL
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2019-10-25 3:36 PM (#728992 - in reply to #728987)
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I wasn't impressed with his soft game at all. He showed absolutely nothing to show any fan that he will be a high level player. Hopefully, JD will make Gorton stay away from candyass euro's in the future. Kakko and Lias play an NHL style game. They both just need to continue to figure things out. Kravtsov just floats around the ice like a dickhead.
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Posted 2019-10-25 3:46 PM (#728993 - in reply to #728987)
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19 year old who is not ready. Go gain some weight and strength and try again next year.
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Posted 2019-10-25 7:21 PM (#728997 - in reply to #728992)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-10-25 3:36 PM

I wasn't impressed with his soft game at all. He showed absolutely nothing to show any fan that he will be a high level player. Hopefully, JD will make Gorton stay away from candyass euro's in the future. Kakko and Lias play an NHL style game. They both just need to continue to figure things out. Kravtsov just floats around the ice like a dickhead.


What NHL game does Lias play? He plays like an NHL player about to get sent to the AHL. He showed a bit in the preseason and has done nothing since the season has started.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2019-10-25 8:08 PM (#728999 - in reply to #728987)
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This is not good news for sure.

Lias?? He couldn't even crack the 9 minute mark last night in a 6-2 win. Lias brings nothing to the table,unfortunately!
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Posted 2019-10-25 8:12 PM (#729000 - in reply to #728987)
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It is early in the season, so I don't wanna be too critical, but so far the young guns have not shown much.
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Posted 2019-10-25 9:05 PM (#729001 - in reply to #728987)
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I think the kid got his eyes opened in camp. What he might have thought was going to be a cinch, wasn’t. His weight is a issue more than his game, physically he was not ready. You’d like to see the kid gut it out in Hartford and do his best to get called up. But it’s also a money thing, this guy could play his whole career in Russia and have plenty of retirement rubies, and certainly will make a pile more over there than in Hartford this year. So who can blame him? I’m not worried about him coming over next year, I’m more worried about his improvement. .
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Posted 2019-10-26 7:27 AM (#729004 - in reply to #729001)
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Rranger - 2019-10-25 9:05 PM

I think the kid got his eyes opened in camp. What he might have thought was going to be a cinch, wasn’t. His weight is a issue more than his game, physically he was not ready. You’d like to see the kid gut it out in Hartford and do his best to get called up. But it’s also a money thing, this guy could play his whole career in Russia and have plenty of retirement rubies, and certainly will make a pile more over there than in Hartford this year. So who can blame him? I’m not worried about him coming over next year, I’m more worried about his improvement. .


"Retirement Rubies" Hahahaha Good One!!
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Posted 2019-10-27 8:21 AM (#729010 - in reply to #729004)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-10-26 6:27 AM

Rranger - 2019-10-25 9:05 PM

I think the kid got his eyes opened in camp. What he might have thought was going to be a cinch, wasn’t. His weight is a issue more than his game, physically he was not ready. You’d like to see the kid gut it out in Hartford and do his best to get called up. But it’s also a money thing, this guy could play his whole career in Russia and have plenty of retirement rubies, and certainly will make a pile more over there than in Hartford this year. So who can blame him? I’m not worried about him coming over next year, I’m more worried about his improvement. .


"Retirement Rubies" Hahahaha Good One!!




I meant rubles lol. F’n spellcheck, oh well rubies it is.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2019-11-02 6:42 AM (#729210 - in reply to #728997)
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Vua - 2019-10-25 7:21 PM

itsmcilrathtime - 2019-10-25 3:36 PM

I wasn't impressed with his soft game at all. He showed absolutely nothing to show any fan that he will be a high level player. Hopefully, JD will make Gorton stay away from candyass euro's in the future. Kakko and Lias play an NHL style game. They both just need to continue to figure things out. Kravtsov just floats around the ice like a dickhead.


What NHL game does Lias play? He plays like an NHL player about to get sent to the AHL. He showed a bit in the preseason and has done nothing since the season has started.


Do you watch games with your eyes open? For starters he's way above average defensively. His corner work is already above average. Offensively he's been given no chance to play with other offensive talent. Howden has done nothing to deserve more than 4th line minutes. He's above average on the PK unit. The only part of his game that hasn't improved yet is his offense and I blame Quinn 100%. I don't particulary like Andersson at center. With his grit, he would be better on the wing. Quinn is a thickhead. If he would just realiize that when he can get Andersson's offensive game going, he will have an ungraded version of Fast. A guy capable of putting up 40-50 points in his prime. However, he's thick. He has this love affair with Howden.

I almost think the organization is trying to play Fast a lot to increase his trade value. Fast is a 4th line player. Third line in spots at best. The fact this team is rebuilding and is giving him these minutes is a joke. Like I said before. When Quinn was ripping the team during the Bruins game, Andersson and Lemieux were the only 2 players on this team with any balls that came out with hard hits. The rest of the pansies just did the same crap as before.

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Posted 2019-11-04 1:48 PM (#729250 - in reply to #728987)
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I would say that Andersson has been one of their more consistent players and yet he still gets stuck on a line w/ Haley & Smith. Howden definitely has potential but he doesn’t seem like he is physically ready to play at this level. He is always quick in on the forecheck, he goes into the corners.....but rarely comes out w/ the puck. He needs to bulk up and he’ll be a very good 3rd line center. Andersson is better than Howden right now in my opinion
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Posted 2019-11-06 8:14 AM (#729292 - in reply to #729210)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-11-02 6:42 AM

Vua - 2019-10-25 7:21 PM

itsmcilrathtime - 2019-10-25 3:36 PM

I wasn't impressed with his soft game at all. He showed absolutely nothing to show any fan that he will be a high level player. Hopefully, JD will make Gorton stay away from candyass euro's in the future. Kakko and Lias play an NHL style game. They both just need to continue to figure things out. Kravtsov just floats around the ice like a dickhead.


What NHL game does Lias play? He plays like an NHL player about to get sent to the AHL. He showed a bit in the preseason and has done nothing since the season has started.


Do you watch games with your eyes open? For starters he's way above average defensively. His corner work is already above average. Offensively he's been given no chance to play with other offensive talent. Howden has done nothing to deserve more than 4th line minutes. He's above average on the PK unit. The only part of his game that hasn't improved yet is his offense and I blame Quinn 100%. I don't particulary like Andersson at center. With his grit, he would be better on the wing. Quinn is a thickhead. If he would just realiize that when he can get Andersson's offensive game going, he will have an ungraded version of Fast. A guy capable of putting up 40-50 points in his prime. However, he's thick. He has this love affair with Howden.

I almost think the organization is trying to play Fast a lot to increase his trade value. Fast is a 4th line player. Third line in spots at best. The fact this team is rebuilding and is giving him these minutes is a joke. Like I said before. When Quinn was ripping the team during the Bruins game, Andersson and Lemieux were the only 2 players on this team with any balls that came out with hard hits. The rest of the pansies just did the same crap as before.


Fine he's good defensively. You can get that from a ton of guys.I still haven't seen enough from him. Now Howden hasn't done much either so I would have no issue with them swapping spots to give Andersson a chance with better players, but at this point I don't think either of them deserve to be higher in the lineup. Moving him to wing might not be a bad idea but it can't be as a 4th liner. Maybe him and Howden should go down to play more minutes in an offensive role. Let Nieves waste time as a 10 minute per game 4th line center. We have no hope of him being more than that anyway.
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Posted 2019-11-14 5:59 AM (#729607 - in reply to #728987)
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It looks like Kravtsov was dropped to the Russian minor league team in the VHL league.
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Posted 2019-11-14 6:08 AM (#729608 - in reply to #729607)
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Steady Eddie - 2019-11-14 4:59 AM

It looks like Kravtsov was dropped to the Russian minor league team in the VHL league.




I read somewhere it was because of a break in his KHL teams schedule, and he would be back up when it picked up again.
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Posted 2019-12-10 6:02 AM (#730373 - in reply to #729608)
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Steady Eddie - 2019-11-14 4:59 AM

It looks like Kravtsov was dropped to the Russian minor league team in the VHL league.




I read somewhere it was because of a break in his KHL teams schedule, and he would be back up when it picked up again.


According to Brooks, he was demoted. Rangers are looking to bring him back to Hartford. They would rather have him playing in the AHL than the VHL.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/09/vitali-kravtsov-could-return-to-ranger...
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2019-12-10 8:13 AM (#730374 - in reply to #728987)
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I think he and we would be better off with him playing in Hartford. Question is, is he willing to play in Hartford?
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Posted 2019-12-10 10:46 AM (#730375 - in reply to #728987)
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I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
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Posted 2019-12-10 12:33 PM (#730380 - in reply to #728987)
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This is another wake up call for Mr Kravtsov. Just a little reminder that the road to the NHL is full of other pros making trying to make a living. I would guess he is no longer being coddled or protected anymore in the KHL. He should have toughed it out on the AHL. It is a good lesson for a young guy. I loved how Valliquette compared going to the VHL like going to the moon. At least his VHL team, Chelmat Chelyabinsk, play in the Ynost Sport Palace (Traktor's old arena). It is also in Chelyabinsk ( the same city as Traktor), so he probably does not have to move.
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Posted 2019-12-10 2:20 PM (#730381 - in reply to #730375)
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Fish - 2019-12-10 12:46 PM

I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
From what I understand, the Rangers can recall him at any time. Do you think he would defy them and say no? That would pretty much end his hockey career altogether.
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Posted 2019-12-10 2:20 PM (#730382 - in reply to #730375)
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Fish - 2019-12-10 12:46 PM

I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
From what I understand, the Rangers can recall him at any time. Do you think he would defy them and say no? That would pretty much end his hockey career altogether.
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Posted 2019-12-12 1:30 PM (#730423 - in reply to #728987)
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He's coming back!

https://wfan.radio.com/articles/news/rangers-prospect-vitali-kravtso...
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Posted 2019-12-12 1:50 PM (#730424 - in reply to #728987)
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Finally the stupid fuk did something right.
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Posted 2019-12-12 2:19 PM (#730425 - in reply to #728987)
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Not the BEST case scenario, but this is GOOD news.

Ideally he would’ve tore up the KHL, however the way the Rangers stood their ground & stayed PROFESSIONAL, is why he is back.

GREAT management and structure by NYR to not let this get messy. Give him top 9 minutes, hold him accountable, & let’s go. Give him Fogarty or Lias.

Edited by scthockey2294 2019-12-12 2:21 PM
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Posted 2019-12-12 2:48 PM (#730426 - in reply to #730382)
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Mjolnir - 2019-12-10 1:20 PM

Fish - 2019-12-10 12:46 PM

I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
From what I understand, the Rangers can recall him at any time. Do you think he would defy them and say no? That would pretty much end his hockey career altogether.


I was under the impression they could recall him only after his commitments in Russia had been completed...but it's all moot now, looks like they negotiated something
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Posted 2019-12-12 2:55 PM (#730427 - in reply to #730426)
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Fish - 2019-12-12 4:48 PM

Mjolnir - 2019-12-10 1:20 PM

Fish - 2019-12-10 12:46 PM

I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
From what I understand, the Rangers can recall him at any time. Do you think he would defy them and say no? That would pretty much end his hockey career altogether.


I was under the impression they could recall him only after his commitments in Russia had been completed...but it's all moot now, looks like they negotiated something
He was "on loan" to the KHL team. Rangers could have called him back at any time.
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Posted 2019-12-12 3:27 PM (#730428 - in reply to #730427)
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Mjolnir - 2019-12-12 1:55 PM

Fish - 2019-12-12 4:48 PM

Mjolnir - 2019-12-10 1:20 PM

Fish - 2019-12-10 12:46 PM

I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
From what I understand, the Rangers can recall him at any time. Do you think he would defy them and say no? That would pretty much end his hockey career altogether.


I was under the impression they could recall him only after his commitments in Russia had been completed...but it's all moot now, looks like they negotiated something
He was "on loan" to the KHL team. Rangers could have called him back at any time.


Yeah I did some further research and confirmed via an NY Post article...my guess it still would have required acquiescence from Kravtsov, so I guess they worked that out over the last couple of days
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Posted 2019-12-12 5:43 PM (#730429 - in reply to #728987)
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He's a dumb fuk until he proves otherwise. The euro pussy needs to change him game and the first time around he didn't think he had to. Maybe the sh!thead will wake up now.

Edited by itsmcilrathtime 2019-12-12 5:44 PM
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Posted 2019-12-13 7:44 AM (#730470 - in reply to #730427)
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Mjolnir - 2019-12-12 3:55 PM

Fish - 2019-12-12 4:48 PM

Mjolnir - 2019-12-10 1:20 PM

Fish - 2019-12-10 12:46 PM

I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
From what I understand, the Rangers can recall him at any time. Do you think he would defy them and say no? That would pretty much end his hockey career altogether.


I was under the impression they could recall him only after his commitments in Russia had been completed...but it's all moot now, looks like they negotiated something
He was "on loan" to the KHL team. Rangers could have called him back at any time.


This is true BUT to clarify, these clauses generally stipulate European assignment in lieu of AHL (or alternate league). So while the Rangers could recall him at any time, it would have to be straight to the NHL. They can't unilaterally assign him to the AHL, or else, he would just exercise the clause again.

For him to go to the AHL, he would need to agree to it, which is the "worked it out" that Fish referred to.
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Posted 2019-12-13 7:56 AM (#730471 - in reply to #730470)
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concust - 2019-12-13 9:44 AM

Mjolnir - 2019-12-12 3:55 PM

Fish - 2019-12-12 4:48 PM

Mjolnir - 2019-12-10 1:20 PM

Fish - 2019-12-10 12:46 PM

I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
From what I understand, the Rangers can recall him at any time. Do you think he would defy them and say no? That would pretty much end his hockey career altogether.


I was under the impression they could recall him only after his commitments in Russia had been completed...but it's all moot now, looks like they negotiated something
He was "on loan" to the KHL team. Rangers could have called him back at any time.


This is true BUT to clarify, these clauses generally stipulate European assignment in lieu of AHL (or alternate league). So while the Rangers could recall him at any time, it would have to be straight to the NHL. They can't unilaterally assign him to the AHL, or else, he would just exercise the clause again.

For him to go to the AHL, he would need to agree to it, which is the "worked it out" that Fish referred to.

I was wondering about that phrase....what you say makes sense.
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Posted 2019-12-13 12:06 PM (#730476 - in reply to #728987)
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well he has been officially reassigned to the AHL
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Posted 2019-12-13 2:11 PM (#730479 - in reply to #730470)
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concust - 2019-12-13 7:44 AM

Mjolnir - 2019-12-12 3:55 PM

Fish - 2019-12-12 4:48 PM

Mjolnir - 2019-12-10 1:20 PM

Fish - 2019-12-10 12:46 PM

I'm concerned they're not going to be able to get him back over...really disappointing to see where he was last year compared to what's happened this year
From what I understand, the Rangers can recall him at any time. Do you think he would defy them and say no? That would pretty much end his hockey career altogether.


I was under the impression they could recall him only after his commitments in Russia had been completed...but it's all moot now, looks like they negotiated something
He was "on loan" to the KHL team. Rangers could have called him back at any time.


This is true BUT to clarify, these clauses generally stipulate European assignment in lieu of AHL (or alternate league). So while the Rangers could recall him at any time, it would have to be straight to the NHL. They can't unilaterally assign him to the AHL, or else, he would just exercise the clause again.

For him to go to the AHL, he would need to agree to it, which is the "worked it out" that Fish referred to.


I hope that this is true. If it is, its a positive step. I had concerns that he would have an attitude problem, hopefully they get laid to rest.
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Posted 2019-12-13 8:02 PM (#730483 - in reply to #728987)
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He got cut by the Rangers and sent to Hartford. Where it appeared he did nothing to form any kind of positive relationship with Coach Knoblauch while he was waiting to return to the fatherland. Now he gets cut over in Russia and sent to the “minors” over there. I’m inclined to believe Kravstov’s Agent was burning up Gorton phone to get him out of his situation there, to return to Hartford now a helluva place to play instead of the minors in Russia.
He’s probably got some fence mending to do with his Hartford team and coach and here’s hoping he’s coming back with the mindset 25-30 real good games and he could be in the NHL. The Rangers are probably moving a few players by the deadline so it’s not like a position or two might not open up. I liked what I saw of him in camp a little tentative which is not unusual for a kid like him, but all in all the talent was very evident. Here’s hoping he comes with a real good attitude, and his head his screwed on straight and he makes some serious progress..
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Posted 2019-12-14 4:58 PM (#730499 - in reply to #728987)
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A wake up call for him I’m sure. Just go play & buy in.
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