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Rranger
Posted 2019-11-25 7:23 PM (#729941 - in reply to #729903)
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:27 PM (#729942 - in reply to #729903)
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There is a rarity, 2 righty d on the ice Fox and Tony d
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:33 PM (#729943 - in reply to #729903)
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:35 PM (#729944 - in reply to #729903)
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That was a sharp looking finish on the PP...
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:36 PM (#729945 - in reply to #729903)
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Chytil has been very hard for Minne to deal with tonight - looks very strong
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:39 PM (#729946 - in reply to #729903)
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Uno point - let minne hang on and this is what happens
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:40 PM (#729947 - in reply to #729903)
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Get the other point, Minny can take one point back to their conference doesn’t hurt the Rangers.

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Posted 2019-11-25 7:41 PM (#729948 - in reply to #729946)
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x10003q - 2019-11-25 6:39 PM

Uno point - let minne hang on and this is what happens


Going to be nights like this...team is still figuring it out, good response though after the game Saturday
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:42 PM (#729949 - in reply to #729903)
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Tony D finishes in about a minute, Minne never touched the puck. 3-2
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:42 PM (#729950 - in reply to #729903)
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:43 PM (#729951 - in reply to #729948)
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Fish - 2019-11-25 9:41 PM

x10003q - 2019-11-25 6:39 PM

Uno point - let minne hang on and this is what happens


Going to be nights like this...team is still figuring it out, good response though after the game Saturday


yeah, still painful to watch, probably more painful on the bench
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2019-11-25 7:46 PM (#729952 - in reply to #729910)
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scthockey2294 - 2019-11-25 5:40 PM

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Chytil, Kakko, Fox, Buchnevich, Lemieux, liking these kids.


I’d throw Lindgrens name in there too.


Add TD to this list also
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:47 PM (#729953 - in reply to #729903)
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Tony D with 7 goals/9 assists now. What is the over under on his next contract?
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:50 PM (#729954 - in reply to #729903)
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Well he's slowed down a little, but he's still on pace for around 60 points
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Posted 2019-11-25 7:58 PM (#729955 - in reply to #729954)
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Fish - 2019-11-25 9:50 PM

Well he's slowed down a little, but he's still on pace for around 60 points


A reasonable guess puts him on another team due to the Rangers cap situation.
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Posted 2019-11-25 9:02 PM (#729957 - in reply to #729903)
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I think it will come down to DeAngelo or Skjei. Fox is looking like a lock going forward. Didn’t hurt the Rangers years ago to have Leetch and Zubov putting up good numbers from the point. DeAngelos next contract should be one the Rangers can move for some value another year or two down the road once some of their crop of youngsters start showing up. He’s still got some upside and offensive guys like him are hard to find. Plenty of time to move him another year down the road, when he’s quantified his game.
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Posted 2019-11-26 2:09 AM (#729962 - in reply to #729903)
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TD will be dealt. Lundkvist is just too good and he's having a monster start to his year playing against men. Like I've said 100 times. You can't have, 3, 5'11 righty defenseman. Size does matter. Especially in the playoffs. It's great he's having a big offensive year. His value will go through the roof. We need to add a big time second or border line first center. Zibanejad has concussion issues. I'd move Kravtsov as soon as possible. That kid is a pussy.

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Posted 2019-11-26 5:49 AM (#729963 - in reply to #729962)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-11-26 2:09 AM

TD will be dealt. Lundkvist is just too good and he's having a monster start to his year playing against men. Like I've said 100 times. You can't have, 3, 5'11 righty defenseman. Size does matter. Especially in the playoffs. It's great he's having a big offensive year. His value will go through the roof. We need to add a big time second or border line first center. Zibanejad has concussion issues. I'd move Kravtsov as soon as possible. That kid is a pussy.


Sigh.
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Rranger
Posted 2019-11-26 6:47 AM (#729964 - in reply to #729903)
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Maybe in Xbox Wonderland you move a defenseman that will push 50-60 points this season, for someone that hasn't done a lap in North America, but this is real.
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Posted 2019-11-26 6:51 AM (#729965 - in reply to #729903)
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Posted 2019-11-26 7:37 AM (#729966 - in reply to #729955)
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x10003q - 2019-11-25 7:58 PM

Fish - 2019-11-25 9:50 PM

Well he's slowed down a little, but he's still on pace for around 60 points


A reasonable guess puts him on another team due to the Rangers cap situation.


Kreiders money will be gone, and maybe others
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Posted 2019-11-26 7:38 AM (#729967 - in reply to #729962)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-11-26 4:09 AM

TD will be dealt.
Sadly, I concur.
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Posted 2019-11-26 9:18 AM (#729968 - in reply to #729903)
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Yep. You're left defenseman can't compensate for small righty defenseman if the matchup is bad. The playoffs are physically brutal. Last year was ridiculous. Need size. Trouba will loom large when this team is a playoff team. Lundkvist's hockey sense is off the charts. Unfortunately, we still have a lot of tools in our fan base that suscribe to AV's thinking where points matter first with our defenseman. You don't win like that. Period. You need 1 offensive defenseman. Maybe two. That's it. The rest of your defenseman need to keep the puck out of your net. DeAngelo is not great defensively and probably never will be. I give him credit for improving a lot but with Fox here, he's not needed. What we really need is K'Andre Miller to take the left side on the first pairing with size and offensive skill. Skjei seems to be overcoming his usual, I did nothing but fish off-season and is rounding into form. As usual. Rranger is clueless and no has no vision on how to build a winner. All he cares about is points.

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Posted 2019-11-26 10:03 AM (#729972 - in reply to #729903)
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Lundkvist is 5'11 174 TD is 5'11 183.......Moron, your size argument is debunked
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Posted 2019-11-26 11:50 AM (#729976 - in reply to #729903)
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No it's not moron. Learn to read. What I said is they aren't going with 3, 5'11 defenseman. Meaning, they aren't keeping DeAngelo and getting rid of Trouba and going with Fox, DeAngelo and Lundkvist on the right side. Sadly, you were too fn stupid to grasp what I was saying. Think harder dumbass and shut your mouth next time until your pea brain understands what you are reading.

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Rranger
Posted 2019-11-26 12:34 PM (#729977 - in reply to #729968)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-11-26 8:18 AM

Yep. You're left defenseman can't compensate for small righty defenseman if the matchup is bad. The playoffs are physically brutal. Last year was ridiculous. Need size. Trouba will loom large when this team is a playoff team. Lundkvist's hockey sense is off the charts. Unfortunately, we still have a lot of tools in our fan base that suscribe to AV's thinking where points matter first with our defenseman. You don't win like that. Period. You need 1 offensive defenseman. Maybe two. That's it. The rest of your defenseman need to keep the puck out of your net. DeAngelo is not great defensively and probably never will be. I give him credit for improving a lot but with Fox here, he's not needed. What we really need is K'Andre Miller to take the left side on the first pairing with size and offensive skill. Skjei seems to be overcoming his usual, I did nothing but fish off-season and is rounding into form. As usual. Rranger is clueless and no has no vision on how to build a winner. All he cares about is points.





As usual your putting the cart ahead of the horse. Like with McIlrath, Fontaine, and numerous others. Only a fool like you gets rid of players before you have a replacement “”here”” not in Vosterhazen Sweden. There is nothing the matter with moving DeAngelo or whoever when a viable replacement is here ready to take his place. Clear it up any bub?
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Posted 2019-11-26 1:51 PM (#729978 - in reply to #729903)
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Posted 2019-11-27 4:17 AM (#729989 - in reply to #729903)
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As usual, you aren't seeing the big picture. Lundkvist has flat out dominated against men this season from all scouting reports. It's not my fault the Rangers signed Trouba and Fox, traded for DeAngelo and drafted Lundkvist. Now they have 3, 5'11 righty defenseman with skills and one righty defenseman with size. One of the 5'11 guys is the odd man out. Considering DeAngelo's greed last contract because he played 30 decent games to end last season, I am supremely confident he won't be here next season. Defense and goaltending has to be there to win cups. DeAngelo will probably never be more than average defensively. The better he does offensively this season, the more trade value he will have. I'm also starting to think Georgiev will go as well. He would be a guy I would use to get rid of Smith's contract. Might take a little less back in return but it would be worth it.

I suspect DeAngelo will go with Kreider in one deal, bringing back a first and a top prospect.

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Posted 2019-11-27 6:16 AM (#729990 - in reply to #729903)
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Your big picture is the animated version. Let the year play out before you sell the farm. By the trade deadline things will be clear at the NHL level. Miller, Lundkvist ect. still have it to do. They don't have three righty 5'11" defesemen they have Fox and DeAngelo. When and if Lundkvist gets here they will have another. So you don't make trades based on expectations, you make them based on facts. Your DeAngelo's imaginary contract greed is babble, every Agent goes for the best payoff they can get.
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Posted 2019-11-27 9:48 AM (#729992 - in reply to #729903)
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On one hand, it's great to have 3, talented 5'11 right handed defenseman with different skill sets. You could be the Devils who can't draft defenseman and have crap. However, it can't be disputed that one of those 3 are going. I don't believe they drafted Lundkvist in the first round, watched him have a monster year so far against men to trade him and keep DeAngelo.

There is another option which I have proposed many times. That would be to move DeAngelo to the wing. Just a hunch but I think DeAngelo would take well to the wing. He has high level offensive skills. Problem with that is I believe a team out there will offer more for him than the Rangers would benefit from him moving to wing. I still think they are going after Cozens. They liked him a lot before the knew they were getting the second pick. Buffalo has to do something. They are wasting Eichel's career. They need young help that can help them now. I wouldn't trade Andersson but if you put together something like Andersson, DeAngelo and Fast for Cozens and a 2021 first rounder I think they do this. Fast is going to be exposed to the expansion draft. Quinn hates Andersson. DeAngelo is the odd man out. Cozens projects as a second line center with size and a complete game. Probably a decent chance the Sabres still stink in 2021. Acquiring DeAngelo would allow them to finally move on from Ristolainen and get back more up front. They just have no offense other than 3-4 players.
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Posted 2019-11-27 1:17 PM (#729996 - in reply to #729903)
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I think there's a couple of things to consider:

1. DeAngelo has proven he can score at the NHL level, he also provides an edge that you don't often get from offensive d-men. The question is of course is defensive play, and it's hard to see him being more than a third-pair D-man who plays the power play at this point, though he could still perhaps figure it out, it's probably less likely than likely.

2. As good as Lundkvist has been, there's still a question as to whether he is good enough defensively at the NHL level, or even whether he can transfer that success to the NHL. On the plus side he's going to be a lot cheaper on an entry level contract than DeAngelo will be next year going forward, but there's greater risk. The Rangers will also lose some of that edge with a one for one placement, though the addition of Miller to the defensive corps would perhaps balance that out, and maybe Robertson....although there'd be an offensive drop off you would think. You could also potentially address it to some extent with the forwards.

I think overall there's no clear path either way for me. If I was to guess, I think trading DeAngelo would make more sense, because the money he's worth is probably not the best use of the money for the team. Ideally you'd keep both, but the economics are more challenging.
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Posted 2019-11-27 2:13 PM (#729997 - in reply to #729996)
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Fish - 2019-11-27 12:17 PM

I think there's a couple of things to consider:

1. DeAngelo has proven he can score at the NHL level, he also provides an edge that you don't often get from offensive d-men. The question is of course is defensive play, and it's hard to see him being more than a third-pair D-man who plays the power play at this point, though he could still perhaps figure it out, it's probably less likely than likely.

2. As good as Lundkvist has been, there's still a question as to whether he is good enough defensively at the NHL level, or even whether he can transfer that success to the NHL. On the plus side he's going to be a lot cheaper on an entry level contract than DeAngelo will be next year going forward, but there's greater risk. The Rangers will also lose some of that edge with a one for one placement, though the addition of Miller to the defensive corps would perhaps balance that out, and maybe Robertson....although there'd be an offensive drop off you would think. You could also potentially address it to some extent with the forwards.

I think overall there's no clear path either way for me. If I was to guess, I think trading DeAngelo would make more sense, because the money he's worth is probably not the best use of the money for the team. Ideally you'd keep both, but the economics are more challenging.





Plus what idiot trades Cozens and a first rounder for Andersson, DeAngelo and Fast.? You hit the high spots with DeAngelo, and if he ever totally turns the defensive corner you might have a all world talent. His offence is already just about there. Gorton wasn’t born yesterday, I’m sure he’s got a open mind going forward, and potentially trading a 50-60 point dman to make room for a maybe won’t be happening. DeAngelo is guy if traded could make the trader look ridiculously stupid. Gorton will not panic here, if he gets moved I have little doubt Gorton will get a pound of flesh, more likely DeAngelo will be back.

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