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scthockey2294
Posted 2019-12-21 11:59 AM (#730597)
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OFFICIAL.

Have to say you felt something like this could happen with the way he’s been yo-yo’d his entire career. His play doesn’t gain any sympathy from me.

Poor asset management, too.
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Rranger
Posted 2019-12-21 2:18 PM (#730598 - in reply to #730597)
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A dud. Didn’t like the pick, never liked much about his game. Obviously neither did Quinn. If not saying he will but if, Kravtsov crashes that is a serious hit to the Rangers rebuild. The only way out of this is a Puhljujarvi trade even if the Rangers have to sweeten it which I’m sure they will.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2019-12-21 2:22 PM (#730599 - in reply to #730597)
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Kid never showed more than bottom 6 talent.....and when given chance to take a top 6 spot, he blew it. The tossing of the metal into the stands didn't hit a favorable note with me either -- especially since one of his best attributes was "character"-- HA!!! I hope the Rangers don't compound their mistake and trade him for Edmonton's malcontent....that's another disaster in blue waiting to happen.

Edited by Mjolnir 2019-12-21 2:24 PM
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Posted 2019-12-21 5:58 PM (#730600 - in reply to #730597)
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Disappointing! ... kid in my opinion was given chances and really didn’t advance. Other players have been better that’s all. Requesting a trade, well ok ,however leaving the team in season . Not an adult move! Kick ass in ahl and force the hand. The Finish flop for this punk ok we both save face. Good Christ what final disappointment!
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2019-12-21 7:22 PM (#730601 - in reply to #730597)
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13 games with the wolfpack this year. 4 goals 1 assist and a -9...Kid sucks and has a bad attitude.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2019-12-21 8:26 PM (#730602 - in reply to #730600)
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The Finish flop for this punk ok we both save face. Good Christ what final disappointment!
A bag of used pucks would be more useful.
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PV29
Posted 2019-12-22 4:43 AM (#730606 - in reply to #730599)
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Mjolnir - 2019-12-21 4:22 PM

Kid never showed more than bottom 6 talent.....and when given chance to take a top 6 spot, he blew it. The tossing of the metal into the stands didn't hit a favorable note with me either -- especially since one of his best attributes was "character"-- HA!!! I hope the Rangers don't compound their mistake and trade him for Edmonton's malcontent....that's another disaster in blue waiting to happen.


When they tried to spin that episode where he threw his silver medal away I suspected a problem. He unfortunately has maturity issues and this stunt sorta confirms that. It’s not his fault that he got demoted, it’s the Rangers. Please.

At various times we’ve seen Chytil, Lemieux, Howden and Buchnevich busted down to the 4th line for various reasons. They’ve all responded by playing harder, throwing hits, even scoring a goal in some cases. In other words, responding the correct way. Get what you can for this malcontent and salvage what you can for a wasted #7 pick.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2019-12-22 5:18 AM (#730607 - in reply to #730606)
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PV29 - 2019-12-22 6:43 AM

Mjolnir - 2019-12-21 4:22 PM

Kid never showed more than bottom 6 talent.....and when given chance to take a top 6 spot, he blew it. The tossing of the metal into the stands didn't hit a favorable note with me either -- especially since one of his best attributes was "character"-- HA!!! I hope the Rangers don't compound their mistake and trade him for Edmonton's malcontent....that's another disaster in blue waiting to happen.


When they tried to spin that episode where he threw his silver medal away I suspected a problem. He unfortunately has maturity issues and this stunt sorta confirms that. It’s not his fault that he got demoted, it’s the Rangers. Please.

At various times we’ve seen Chytil, Lemieux, Howden and Buchnevich busted down to the 4th line for various reasons. They’ve all responded by playing harder, throwing hits, even scoring a goal in some cases. In other words, responding the correct way. Get what you can for this malcontent and salvage what you can for a wasted #7 pick.

I find it hysterical there are people who say the Rangers never gave him a chance. sheesh!!!
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2019-12-22 8:10 AM (#730609 - in reply to #730597)
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They can put a package for some solid D-men. Bring some solid defensive style D-men. It doesn't have to be flashy, big name players. And, actually Rangers D-men lead the league in points or right up there in points from D. But, defensively the team is just horrible, so solid D-men is what this team needs.
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Posted 2019-12-22 9:58 AM (#730611 - in reply to #730606)
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Mjolnir - 2019-12-21 4:22 PM

Kid never showed more than bottom 6 talent.....and when given chance to take a top 6 spot, he blew it. The tossing of the metal into the stands didn't hit a favorable note with me either -- especially since one of his best attributes was "character"-- HA!!! I hope the Rangers don't compound their mistake and trade him for Edmonton's malcontent....that's another disaster in blue waiting to happen.


When they tried to spin that episode where he threw his silver medal away I suspected a problem. He unfortunately has maturity issues and this stunt sorta confirms that. It’s not his fault that he got demoted, it’s the Rangers. Please.

At various times we’ve seen Chytil, Lemieux, Howden and Buchnevich busted down to the 4th line for various reasons. They’ve all responded by playing harder, throwing hits, even scoring a goal in some cases. In other words, responding the correct way. Get what you can for this malcontent and salvage what you can for a wasted #7 pick.




Agreed his value is low, unless you add to him in a trade your not getting much back. If the Rangers think another failed pick like Puhljujarvi is reclaimable and available in a Andersson deal, then you try. If they don’t like him, then they will be searching hard for any kind of player coming back in a deal with upside. And any pick coming back in a straight deal would be probably no better than a fourth. The guy is a spoiled little **** pushed through Swedish hockey based on his last name. His value is about the same as a 2012 Ford Escape.

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Posted 2019-12-22 10:06 AM (#730612 - in reply to #730597)
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Posted 2019-12-22 3:19 PM (#730620 - in reply to #730597)
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Even if he didn't get the chance to prove himself with the big club, he had the opportunity with the pack for 2 years, and still showed nothing!!

Wish they would've traded him earlier before everyone else could see he's no good and has a poor attitude.
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Posted 2019-12-23 5:54 AM (#730627 - in reply to #730597)
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I've defended Andersson in the past, and it's well within his right to ask for a trade, but then walking out on his team (during a roster freeze no less) is a b*tch move. Rangers have not handled his development particularly well, but he's also not grasped the opportunity that he's been given, and then this - two wrongs does not make a right.
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Posted 2019-12-23 7:15 AM (#730628 - in reply to #730627)
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I've defended Andersson in the past, and it's well within his right to ask for a trade, but then walking out on his team (during a roster freeze no less) is a b*tch move. Rangers have not handled his development particularly well, but he's also not grasped the opportunity that he's been given, and then this - two wrongs does not make a right.




His trade value before this stunt was limited, and after the silver medal stupidity and now this, he's removed any doubt for a prospective buyer he has issues. Decreasing a return for a guy living off his draft position and nothing of value in his play since. Gorton has his hands full getting anything back. If he would have kept his yap shut and played you can bet the wheels were in motion with him already quietly requesting a trade. Now he's created a no win situation for the Rangers.
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Posted 2019-12-23 9:56 AM (#730629 - in reply to #730597)
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At the time, I believe Andersson was ranked more of a 15-20th overall pick, ultimately they picked him at 7 which was higher than the majority would have ranked him. Yes, he was still a first round pick, but at the time he felt like a bottom six pick to me, and a waste of the 7th overall pick.

He's done little to impress me since, as Brooks mentioned today in his article, he doesn't have explosive speed, and that goes with limited offensive skills. I don't see this as a mishandling of him as a prospect, as much as a miss on the original selection. He's panned out worse than I expected, but there's certainly some question about his temperament as others have mentioned that may be a bigger contributing factor.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2019-12-23 11:27 AM (#730631 - in reply to #730629)
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Fish - 2019-12-23 11:56 AM

At the time, I believe Andersson was ranked more of a 15-20th overall pick, ultimately they picked him at 7 which was higher than the majority would have ranked him. Yes, he was still a first round pick, but at the time he felt like a bottom six pick to me, and a waste of the 7th overall pick.

He's done little to impress me since, as Brooks mentioned today in his article, he doesn't have explosive speed, and that goes with limited offensive skills. I don't see this as a mishandling of him as a prospect, as much as a miss on the original selection. He's panned out worse than I expected, but there's certainly some question about his temperament as others have mentioned that may be a bigger contributing factor.


I took a look at the players that were drafted after him. That draft was nothing but a crap-shoot after the first 6 picks. Oddly enough, Lias has done better and a good percentage of those that followed him.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2017e.html
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Posted 2019-12-23 12:47 PM (#730632 - in reply to #730631)
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Fish - 2019-12-23 11:56 AM

At the time, I believe Andersson was ranked more of a 15-20th overall pick, ultimately they picked him at 7 which was higher than the majority would have ranked him. Yes, he was still a first round pick, but at the time he felt like a bottom six pick to me, and a waste of the 7th overall pick.

He's done little to impress me since, as Brooks mentioned today in his article, he doesn't have explosive speed, and that goes with limited offensive skills. I don't see this as a mishandling of him as a prospect, as much as a miss on the original selection. He's panned out worse than I expected, but there's certainly some question about his temperament as others have mentioned that may be a bigger contributing factor.


I took a look at the players that were drafted after him. That draft was nothing but a crap-shoot after the first 6 picks. Oddly enough, Lias has done better and a good percentage of those that followed him.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2017e.html


Exactly, which is why I didn't really have a problem with the pick, then or now. This year is draft +3 so this year and next, will be the ones where original expectations really come to bear fruit (or not). Mittlestadt, the pick that most Rangers fans would have wanted, is in the AHL. Chytil and Thomas are really the only other picks after Andersson who have actually stuck. That's still pretty normal for a +3. My only problem with picking Andersson at 7 is it may have overly contributed to his ego, being a "top 10" pick, and may have fueled some entitlement. That's pure speculation but I don't think an unrealistic assessment.
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Posted 2019-12-23 12:54 PM (#730633 - in reply to #730632)
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Fish - 2019-12-23 11:56 AM

At the time, I believe Andersson was ranked more of a 15-20th overall pick, ultimately they picked him at 7 which was higher than the majority would have ranked him. Yes, he was still a first round pick, but at the time he felt like a bottom six pick to me, and a waste of the 7th overall pick.

He's done little to impress me since, as Brooks mentioned today in his article, he doesn't have explosive speed, and that goes with limited offensive skills. I don't see this as a mishandling of him as a prospect, as much as a miss on the original selection. He's panned out worse than I expected, but there's certainly some question about his temperament as others have mentioned that may be a bigger contributing factor.


I took a look at the players that were drafted after him. That draft was nothing but a crap-shoot after the first 6 picks. Oddly enough, Lias has done better and a good percentage of those that followed him.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2017e.html


Exactly, which is why I didn't really have a problem with the pick, then or now. This year is draft +3 so this year and next, will be the ones where original expectations really come to bear fruit (or not). Mittlestadt, the pick that most Rangers fans would have wanted, is in the AHL. Chytil and Thomas are really the only other picks after Andersson who have actually stuck. That's still pretty normal for a +3. My only problem with picking Andersson at 7 is it may have overly contributed to his ego, being a "top 10" pick, and may have fueled some entitlement. That's pure speculation but I don't think an unrealistic assessment.


I think the entitlement was always there....I believe the fire was fanned by his advisors convincing him he was more than he thought he was.
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Posted 2019-12-23 7:01 PM (#730638 - in reply to #730597)
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The miss here was he is supposed to have good leadership skills. That is a huge whiff. Leaving the team is pure failure and shows a lack of leadership skills. What a clown.
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Posted 2019-12-24 8:48 AM (#730643 - in reply to #730597)
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30+ games without a goal last season, and finally one goes in off his ass. For skill, that pretty much says it all. Chalk up another busted first round pick. Next up, Vitali.

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Posted 2019-12-24 9:02 AM (#730644 - in reply to #730597)
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The curse of Dump continues.
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Posted 2019-12-25 12:23 PM (#730648 - in reply to #730597)
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Good number of years of good 1st round picks...Couple of bad ones already in the rebuild, though.
Feels like Kravtsov may be righting the ship & starting fresh.

Andersson and Kravtsov ending up as busts is NOT good. You hope Kravtsov moves forward as he is & you hope we move Lias with Georgiev.
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Posted 2019-12-25 1:08 PM (#730649 - in reply to #730648)
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Kravtsov is more talented....that aside, something or someone (or combo thereof) opened his eyes and changed his attitude. He'll be fine.

Let's hope the same happens with Andersson.
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Posted 2019-12-25 8:00 PM (#730650 - in reply to #730644)
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Vua - 2019-12-24 9:02 AM

The curse of Dump continues.



Hahahahaha
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Posted 2019-12-25 8:50 PM (#730651 - in reply to #730597)
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I wanted Lias gone in the worse way, but not like this
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Posted 2019-12-25 9:30 PM (#730652 - in reply to #730597)
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It’s turning out it was a ****draft to have the seventh pick. Although I’d far rather have Middlestadt in the fold than Andersson. Krueger now coaching in Buffalo had his issues in Edmonton so before I threw Middlestadt under the bus I’d like to see him when he gets back in the NHL. And I would still take him over Andersson every day of the week. Hopefully Chytil continues his growth that is helping to take the sting out of the Andersson pick which is now officially a whiff. Before he opened his yap Gorton might have been able to get something for him, but now that ship has sailed and any return will be minimal.
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Posted 2020-01-09 8:52 AM (#730920 - in reply to #730597)
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Andersson makes a reference to being bullied and playing injured
https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2020/01/08/lias-ander...
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Posted 2020-01-09 3:18 PM (#730926 - in reply to #730597)
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The story just keeps getting more bizarre
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Posted 2020-01-09 3:39 PM (#730927 - in reply to #730644)
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Vua - 2019-12-24 10:02 AM

The curse of Dump continues.


It's kind of incredible. You could put together an ECHL all-star team stacked with all the careers he's ruined.
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Posted 2020-01-09 3:52 PM (#730929 - in reply to #730597)
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That's the thing about drafts, you can end up with Lidstrom in the 7th or Stefan 1st overall. It really is like throwing darts for the most part. This is a reason some prefer established NHLers over gambling that is the draft.

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Posted 2020-01-09 4:46 PM (#730930 - in reply to #730929)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2020-01-09 2:52 PM

That's the thing about drafts, you can end up with Lidstrom in the 7th or Stefan 1st overall. It really is like throwing darts for the most part. This is a reason some prefer established NHLers over gambling that is the draft.


it's not quite like that though, in darts you have a relatively similar chance to hit 1 or 20....you can argue the bullseye is harder, but in the draft, the odds are significantly higher that you'll end up with a great pick the earlier you pick. It's not a guarantee, but the odds are much higher.
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Posted 2020-01-09 9:46 PM (#730997 - in reply to #730930)
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Fish - 2020-01-09 3:46 PM

LeetchyMrRanger - 2020-01-09 2:52 PM

That's the thing about drafts, you can end up with Lidstrom in the 7th or Stefan 1st overall. It really is like throwing darts for the most part. This is a reason some prefer established NHLers over gambling that is the draft.


it's not quite like that though, in darts you have a relatively similar chance to hit 1 or 20....you can argue the bullseye is harder, but in the draft, the odds are significantly higher that you'll end up with a great pick the earlier you pick. It's not a guarantee, but the odds are much higher.





The Rangers haven’t been that bad drafting it’s just the pick for Andersson was much anticipated, then surprised when Andersson got picked, now left with a zero on the board. This last load of spewed self indulgence from him has dropped his value to near worthless, unless he’s got a heartbreaking story shifting all blame on the Rangers. Sure
Lias. That being said I’m looking forward to hear him babble.
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Posted 2020-01-10 9:08 AM (#731004 - in reply to #730597)
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Just another punk move in a long line of punk moves by this punk kid
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Posted 2020-01-10 12:11 PM (#731006 - in reply to #730597)
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It's incredible that two loser posters Vua and Concust continue for 20 fukking years to never to blame any Rangers coach for anything. Always the players fault. Never the coach. The same coaches that always end up winning nothing and getting fired here. There is no doubt that both of you date you hand every day. That's what happens when you are life long dorks.

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Posted 2020-01-10 2:37 PM (#731008 - in reply to #731006)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2020-01-10 12:11 PM

It's incredible that two loser posters Vua and Concust continue for 20 fukking years to never to blame any Rangers coach for anything. Always the players fault. Never the coach. The same coaches that always end up winning nothing and getting fired here. There is no doubt that both of you date you hand every day. That's what happens when you are life long dorks.


I would've hated to read this before you edited it......

Anyway, the kid can't skate, the kid can't score and he had a poor attitude from day 1, actually before day 1 when he threw is medal into the stands after attempting to take it off a second time before being told not to. But, it's all the coaches fault?? Ok Got it!!!
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