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scthockey2294
Posted 2020-01-13 5:27 AM (#731093)
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The right move if you ask me. Asking for a NHL ready player/prospect or close.

I think Georgiev gets a B prospect & a 2 rounder. However packaging him with a Fast or Lias (maybe not Lias) or someone can net us a return like Hayes’.

I’d love Georgiev & Fast/Lias for a guy like Tyler Bertuzzi

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Posted 2020-01-13 9:47 AM (#731094 - in reply to #731093)
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We'll see, but I think he still has plenty of questions, and the Rangers haven't exactly been successful at exporting goaltenders to other teams in recent years, despite how they looked playing in New York
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scthockey2294
Posted 2020-01-13 12:30 PM (#731102 - in reply to #731093)
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Just go get a Tyler Bertuzzi type player. Get us a real 2nd liner.
I feel Buchnevich is a 2nd/3rd liner who can top out at 60 points one day. Mostly a 42-56 point guy in the middle 6. Just doesn’t seem to have that bury it knack.

This team needs a REAL younger forward with borderline guaranteed 2nd line upside & 2 steady 4th line forwards (which we will not get this year)

Trade Kreider and Georgiev. Entertain Fast.
Blast Staal into the sun this offseason.
Resign TD.


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Rranger
Posted 2020-01-14 7:57 AM (#731188 - in reply to #731093)
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All well and fine to trade Kreider and Georgiev but you better get a good return. Kreider is playing some of the best Ranger hockey in his career. He's got three four years of being a force ahead of him and like all long term contracts would end up a overpayment at the end. But that's the nature of the beast when you have to lock up his age group and skill set to a long term contract. Its glaringly apparent what he's bringing to the table, and his obvious leadership is helping this team to within 6 points of a playoff spot and with a game in hand. It better be a big chunk of future coming back if Kreider gets traded.
I think lost in all this is the great job Quinn has done so far, and the obvious promising, upcoming stretch run coming, that will cause all kinds of conundrums for Gorton. Look at Georgiev stoning the Pisles last night. Written off after two very good Shestorokin starts, and he shows the mental toughness to block it out and put forth a game like that. I get because of Lundqvist he's probably getting traded, but that doesn't mean it's the Rangers best move, it just means they have no other choice, unless Lundqvist jumps to a contender.
I didn't expect this type of success for the Rangers to this point in the season, especially the obvious gelling, which is as important as the points. This team is in the race for the last playoff spot, and I think you will see a more consistent team down the stretch. Gorton has a lot of decisions with a lot of impact on the now and future. He starts trading Kreider and DeAngelo and he’s cutting a huge piece out of the heart of a team showing a lot of growth under Quinn. I think this is probably the most important trade deadline coming up under Gorton, including what he might not do.

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rjpny75
Posted 2020-01-14 9:02 AM (#731189 - in reply to #731093)
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Ranking the best possibilities for the Goalie situation...

1. Hank waives his NMC, traded to either Toronto or San Jose. We could get a haul for him. Keep Shesty and Georgie
2. Hank retires after this season. Keep Shesty and Georgie. Not likely to happen. Hank is actually playing well for the most part this season. This season and moving forward, if for the Rangers or another team, he needs no more than 2 starts in a row, then 1 or 2 games off.
3. Trade Georgie, won't be a haul but I think the return would be decent trading him to San Jose or Toronto.
4. Send Shesty back to AHL for remainder of the season, keep Hank and Georgie for the year, deal Georgie in the off season
5. Trade Shesty for a haul, not likely but better than...
6. Keep the three headed monster for remainder of the season, deal Georgie at end of season.
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Steady Eddie
Posted 2020-01-14 9:20 AM (#731190 - in reply to #731189)
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rjpny75
Posted 2020-01-14 10:09 AM (#731191 - in reply to #731190)
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Steady Eddie - 2020-01-14 11:20 AM

Numbers don't lie.


Exactly why I think we need Hank to waive his NMC. I would have loved for him to get a cup with us, but it's just not happening. Going to Toronto would give him the best chance to get his name on the Cup.

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Rranger
Posted 2020-01-14 9:55 PM (#731202 - in reply to #731093)
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I think there is a lot more opportunity to move Marc Staal to Toronto. There defence is hurting injury wise. They need depth for a playoff run. The opportunity to play for the Leafs might sway him off his no trade. . Rangers can afford to eat some cap, his replacement will likely be Rykov or Keane on entry level contracts to finish out the year, and in lieu of eating some cap the Rangers might be able to pick up a prospect good enough to play for them and come out ahead a couple mill on the cap. Toss Georgiev into a deal Toronto wants to improve their tending and you have a lot of variables lining up, assuming Staal wants to play for the Leafs which is almost always a draw for Ontario born players.

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scthockey2294
Posted 2020-01-15 6:35 AM (#731203 - in reply to #731202)
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Rranger - 2020-01-14 9:55 PM

I think there is a lot more opportunity to move Marc Staal to Toronto. There defence is hurting injury wise. They need depth for a playoff run. The opportunity to play for the Leafs might sway him off his no trade. . Rangers can afford to eat some cap, his replacement will likely be Rykov or Keane on entry level contracts to finish out the year, and in lieu of eating some cap the Rangers might be able to pick up a prospect good enough to play for them and come out ahead a couple mill on the cap. Toss Georgiev into a deal Toronto wants to improve their tending and you have a lot of variables lining up, assuming Staal wants to play for the Leafs which is almost always a draw for Ontario born players.


Nobody wants Staal. I wish.
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rjpny75
Posted 2020-01-15 6:50 AM (#731204 - in reply to #731203)
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scthockey2294 - 2020-01-15 8:35 AM

Rranger - 2020-01-14 9:55 PM

I think there is a lot more opportunity to move Marc Staal to Toronto. There defence is hurting injury wise. They need depth for a playoff run. The opportunity to play for the Leafs might sway him off his no trade. . Rangers can afford to eat some cap, his replacement will likely be Rykov or Keane on entry level contracts to finish out the year, and in lieu of eating some cap the Rangers might be able to pick up a prospect good enough to play for them and come out ahead a couple mill on the cap. Toss Georgiev into a deal Toronto wants to improve their tending and you have a lot of variables lining up, assuming Staal wants to play for the Leafs which is almost always a draw for Ontario born players.


Nobody wants Staal. I wish.


And Staal has a NMC. He is less likely to waive it than Hank.
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Rranger
Posted 2020-01-15 7:29 AM (#731207 - in reply to #731204)
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rjpny75 - 2020-01-15 5:50 AM

scthockey2294 - 2020-01-15 8:35 AM

Rranger - 2020-01-14 9:55 PM

I think there is a lot more opportunity to move Marc Staal to Toronto. There defence is hurting injury wise. They need depth for a playoff run. The opportunity to play for the Leafs might sway him off his no trade. . Rangers can afford to eat some cap, his replacement will likely be Rykov or Keane on entry level contracts to finish out the year, and in lieu of eating some cap the Rangers might be able to pick up a prospect good enough to play for them and come out ahead a couple mill on the cap. Toss Georgiev into a deal Toronto wants to improve their tending and you have a lot of variables lining up, assuming Staal wants to play for the Leafs which is almost always a draw for Ontario born players.


Nobody wants Staal. I wish.


And Staal has a NMC. He is less likely to waive it than Hank.




Some teams with any kind of Cup aspirations would welcome Staal with some cap retained, and a reasonable exchange of assets. Its what teams like Colorado, Toronto do, its called loading up. Staal would be a excellent bottom d man on a contender. It very well could happen. Toronto is a place Staal might welcome the opportunity to play for drawn by lure of playing close to home. The NMC os not news and been discussed ad nauseum, Staal and Lundqvist both have to approve it and to suggest Staal is less likely than Lundqvist is based on what? I can see Staal getting moved, he like Lundqvist can see the writing on the wall and can participate in going somewhere he wants to. It's all about math for the Rangers They could retain 1/2 Staals cap and still be able to pay three defensemens entry level contracts next year for what Staal was costing.
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Posted 2020-01-15 8:40 AM (#731209 - in reply to #731191)
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rjpny75 - 2020-01-14 12:09 PM

Steady Eddie - 2020-01-14 11:20 AM

Numbers don't lie.


Exactly why I think we need Hank to waive his NMC. I would have loved for him to get a cup with us, but it's just not happening. Going to Toronto would give him the best chance to get his name on the Cup.


If Henrik was serious about winning a Cup, he would have accepted a trade by now. His best chance was the year of The Letter and he was adamant about not going anywhere. He was asked against last season as TDL approached and was again adamant about not going.

With the way he's playing this year, you're not getting a haul from him.

Also, Henrik is determined to end his career as a NY Ranger -- I think he'll seriously consider retirement by season's end....especially if his playing time continues to go down.

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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-01-15 8:56 AM (#731210 - in reply to #731093)
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Buchnevich fukkking blows. When will people in our fan base realize that. That dumb Russian asshat needs to be dealt. Not Kreider. Said it already. Give me a Georgiev and Smith deal for Bennett, Jankowski and a pick. Buy low on those two guys and dump Smith and use that money to sign Kreider. Our 4th line freakin sucks. Bennett is a lot like Lemieux. He hits a ton. Give me a 4th line of Bennett-Jankowski-Howden. That's a line that could actually do something.
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Posted 2020-01-15 11:05 AM (#731214 - in reply to #731093)
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Rangers have a decent goalie prospect playing now at UMass Lowell, Tyler Wall. He's about two years away. Trade Georgiev, get as big a deal as possible to complete the rebuild. Then go with Henrik and Shesterkin until henrik retires and Wall becomes the backup for Shesterkin.

This a great plan that is fraught with potential for failure.
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Posted 2020-01-15 2:43 PM (#731219 - in reply to #731214)
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PV29 - 2020-01-15 12:05 PM

Rangers have a decent goalie prospect playing now at UMass Lowell, Tyler Wall. He's about two years away. Trade Georgiev, get as big a deal as possible to complete the rebuild. Then go with Henrik and Shesterkin until henrik retires and Wall becomes the backup for Shesterkin.

This a great plan that is fraught with potential for failure.


It's as good a plan as any. Honestly when it comes to goaltenders it rarely makes sense to plan more than a year out, because space is so limited and one good year/bad year by one of your guys and your whole plan is garbage again anyway.
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Posted 2020-01-17 8:41 AM (#731314 - in reply to #731093)
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Minnesota is going to look to trade. Dumba is reportedly available. Their goaltending is sub-NHL acceptable. Eric Staal plays for Minnesota and is having a pretty good year. Zuccarello is there too. Any interest in Dumba (LD)? Might we package Georgiev and Staal work? Just asking.
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Posted 2020-01-18 11:13 PM (#731326 - in reply to #731093)
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Now I know getting something for him is important .. but where is the upside of trading him.. is it so you do not lose him in the expansion draft or having to pay him as an RFA?

Hank has one year left in what I can only assume will be his last as a Ranger. The Rangers know that beyond next year he is gone.

Shesterkin will be the starter if he plays well enough this year as he has proven at each level thus far he has game.

So the thought would be to move him THIS year before he is an RFA and get something ..then have Sheesterkin and Hank split time next year with the following year Hank is gone... and they have brought in a veteran as a back up to help with the back up behind Shesterkin. (or Hank signs an extension at a LOT less to be the back up which I am not sure I see)

But the Rangers have to expose A goalie to the expansion draft who has 40 plus games played in the NHL .. I think....

I would if the Rangers are smart ship him and Skeji to Toronto .. they need some D help .. Skeji is a LOT of money and to be honest not great on the abck end.. I see him as the McCabe, Boyle, MDZ etc type..can put up points..but terrible in the D zone. They could get in return a solid NHL player in return.. like Kapanen.. and picks or other prospects etc.

That gets rid of some cap space to sign kreider.. he is playing a solid game and I have thought he still has another level.

I would also see about trading Strome... he is an RFA who will want an increase on the 3.1M he is making this year and I would rather pay Kreider than Strome.. and Strome is having a very good season so his worth might be inflated..

Also D'Angelo is an RFA who will want a step up from the 925K he is making ... looking in the north of 3 million for sure. Lemieux will want an upgrade to the 925 he is getting too

Mckegg and Haley will walk with Belesky as well .. but that is like 2.5 million not much savings...

The REAL savings and this is where the rangers need to get to is in 22 when Hank,Staal and Smith all come off and 20 Million will be up for grabs
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Posted 2020-01-19 6:58 AM (#731328 - in reply to #731093)
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Georgiev would need to be protected Shestorokin would be exempt.
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Posted 2020-01-19 11:50 AM (#731330 - in reply to #731093)
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Moves will be predicated on next years Cap which because of Shattenkirks buyout, Staal, Lundqvist and Smith salaries the Rangers May be forced to move someone they don’t want to. I don’t have a problem with Kreider a top two line guy for the next seven years of which you can expect at least four more good years. A combination of Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Kakko, Strome, Kravstov, Buchnevich and Chytil might get the job done. Leaves Howden, Lemieux to fill out the top three lines. A top four of Trouba, DeAngelo, Fox, Lindgren and two out of Rykov, Miller, Liunqviist ect going forward looks good to me. Add Georgiev and Shestorokin and Gorton has done a great turnover.

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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-01-19 4:38 PM (#731332 - in reply to #731093)
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Guess they were saying on twitter Gorton turned down Georgiev for Kapanen and Bracco. I'd think I would do that. Kapanen is what I hoped Andersson wold be. Both are righty shots.
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Posted 2020-01-20 7:07 AM (#731360 - in reply to #731093)
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If the Rangers could get Kapanen for Georgiev I think it's a done deal already. Bracco is a throwin, that adds very little value. But Kapanen is needed. He free's up trading Buchnevich and his inconsistency since Kapanen would be replacing him on one of the top two lines. And it also free's up trading Fast a victim of the cap, and the Rangers needing Fast cap $$ for other players.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-01-20 7:38 AM (#731361 - in reply to #731093)
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Buchnevich is crap. If Gorton grets anything decent for the sh!thead he should get a medal.

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Posted 2020-01-21 7:09 PM (#731394 - in reply to #731093)
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I guess no one wants Henke anymore.
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Posted 2020-01-21 8:17 PM (#731405 - in reply to #731093)
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Toronto and Colorado. Just have to convince Henrik.
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