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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2020-08-12 5:23 PM (#734059 - in reply to #734038)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2020-08-11 12:40 PM

Rangers are going to have 2 max wingers in a few years. They are not keeping Strome, TDA, Chytil or Buchnevich. Me, I'd offer TDA, Chytil, Buchnevich and our second first for Larkin. Detroit has a hard time passing that up. Sign Fast. Team must get better defensive role players and defensman. Get Lias back and let him center the 3rd or 4th line. Depending on how he is playing. Go with two lefties on the bottom pairing. Who cares. Give Staal one more year. Release Smith. Now you must sign Fast with Lafreniere here and get rid of no defense players like TDA and Buchnevich.

Lafreniere-Larkin-Panarin
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
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Barron-Lias-Lemieux

Lindgren-Fox
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Are you seriously still talking about Lias?
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-08-12 6:01 PM (#734060 - in reply to #734000)
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Lias is 21. Only a moron would give up on him. His game has similarities to Lemieux's and looking at the pussies on our team who can't forecheck other than Lemieux in the playoffs, the team needs him.
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Posted 2020-08-12 6:51 PM (#734061 - in reply to #734060)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2020-08-12 8:01 PM

Lias is 21. Only a moron would give up on him. His game has similarities to Lemieux's and looking at the pussies on our team who can't forecheck other than Lemieux in the playoffs, the team needs him.


Sure, but he's publicly said he doesn't want to be here because he's a giant ego baby who can't handle the fact that he was sent to the minors.....
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Posted 2020-08-12 8:20 PM (#734062 - in reply to #734000)
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If Gorton traded DeAngelo, Chytil, Buchnevich and a first for Dylan Larkin he would be fired and never get another job in hockey.
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PV29
Posted 2020-08-13 12:57 PM (#734065 - in reply to #734000)
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In past seasons, just adding Lafrenière and K'Andre Miller to the team would be awesome and create all kinds of excitement for the start of the season.

But there's also Kakko, Shesterkin, Fox, Lindgren, DeAngelo, Chytil, Kravtsov, Gauthier, and Lemiuex. Add the established guys like Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider and Trouba. Wow. Can't remember an upcoming season in all the years I've followed the Rangers where there were so many young, talented players on one roster who were going to develop and grow together. Even the Craig Patrick and early Neil Smith teams didn't have this promise. Can't wait for next season!
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amacpher
Posted 2020-08-13 1:33 PM (#734068 - in reply to #734065)
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PV29 - 2020-08-13 12:57 PM

In past seasons, just adding Lafrenière and K'Andre Miller to the team would be awesome and create all kinds of excitement for the start of the season.

But there's also Kakko, Shesterkin, Fox, Lindgren, DeAngelo, Chytil, Kravtsov, Gauthier, and Lemiuex. Add the established guys like Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider and Trouba. Wow. Can't remember an upcoming season in all the years I've followed the Rangers where there were so many young, talented players on one roster who were going to develop and grow together. Even the Craig Patrick and early Neil Smith teams didn't have this promise. Can't wait for next season!

Agreed. Don’t forget Lias lol - okay, forget Lias.
I too can’t remember when this team, if ever, has assembled so much young talent; and JD is an experienced builder. Should be fun to watch the next few years.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-08-13 4:36 PM (#734069 - in reply to #734000)
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Buchnevich is a playoff scrub. He's dumb. Undisciplined. Sulks constantly. Lias had some pretty messed up mental issues at a young age but his game is what you need more of to win in the playoffs. Buchnevich is exactly what you don't need in the playoffs. A stupid Russian that can't play defense with slightly above average offensive skills. I'd rather bring back a mature Lias at 22-23, with his head and attitude better and let him play a role than count on a moron like Buchnevich. Chytil has a lot of upside but he could go either way. Rangers can't hand out contracts to players that can go either way. I think with the right offer Larkin can be had. By the way Rranger. That trade would be a steal for us. Learn our system assclown. Lundkvist will be 10 times the defenseman TDA is. TDA has no job here after next year. Larkin is 10 times the player Chytil will ever be. He also is great on draws and has a ton of speed which this slow ass team needs more of. Buchnevich is useless now as the top 4 wings are Lafrenierre, Kakko, Panarin and Kreider. Buchdumbass has nothing you want in a third line player. What this team needs is a 80 point, great on draws, fast 2nd line center in the worst way. TDA, Chytil and Buchnevich are crap to this team importance wise compared to what a Larkin would be. They are all expendable and easily replaceable. Even Kravtsov will have a hard time staying here as I don't see him being particularly useful as a third line wing. Getting Larkin would be pretty much the same trade as the Zibanejad trade was. He would be taken off a team where he was never going to break out and put on a team where he could push 80 to 100 points on a good year.

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Posted 2020-08-13 5:01 PM (#734071 - in reply to #734000)
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I can't agree with your take on Andersson. As much as you talk about him being a gritty player, all I saw was a kid who didn't really stand out much. I was hoping he might be that Tomas Holmstrom kind of net front kind of guy, but he seemed more inclined to want to skate the puck in and shoot from the circles. He wasn't particularly strong defensively, and he didn't have the grit/edge that Lemieux brings. He just didn't stand out really in any fashion.

For all Buchnevich's limitations, he has much better passing and shooting ability, though he does as you point out seem to be emotional, and he plays his best when he's upset for some reason...which isn't consistent enough. Fast brings a lot more defensive responsibility and competitiveness, though he's not a top offensive contributor. Lemieux brings emotion, and plays on the edge.

If Andersson had demonstrated even some of those things, then he'd still be here...but he didn't, and so he's not, and I don't expect to ever be to be honest.

As for needing a center, yes the team does need a second line center, but to put things in context...in the last full season 2018-19, there were only 15 centers that achieved 80 points. The 31st best center, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, recorded 69 points. For context, the 62nd (or equivalent of 2 centers for each team) clocked in with 42 points. There were several teams who did have two centers with 69+ points including Boston, Calgary, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Tampa, San Jose, Toronto, Edmonton, Washington etc...but most of those teams drafted their centers.

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Posted 2020-08-13 6:05 PM (#734074 - in reply to #734062)
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Rranger - 2020-08-12 10:20 PM

If Gorton traded DeAngelo, Chytil, Buchnevich and a first for Dylan Larkin he would be fired and never get another job in hockey.
Jari Kuri is still available ... if Larkin deal doesn’t pan out.
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Posted 2020-08-13 8:22 PM (#734077 - in reply to #734000)
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Like Buchnevich or not, I think he’s going to be a victim of circumstances with the numbers game on the wings and will likely become trade fodder. But who knows. He’s a big body and seems to be figuring out how to use his size. It will be interesting to see how management deals with all this cause there’s way more prospects than roster spots. I only hope the Rangers can somehow put together a decent fourth line to complement the talent up front.
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Posted 2020-08-13 8:35 PM (#734078 - in reply to #734000)
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Buchnevich was one of the most improved Rangers last year along with DeAngelo. His top five offensive defensemen in the league status is noticeable for a youngster, who’s defence with good coaching will come around. Only a idiot would get rid of those two because you think you don’t need them. Lundqvist is a year away and he’s not going to walk in and replace DeAngelo’s offence immediately if he ever does. Lundqvist will be a lot more worried about making the team than becoming the team PP quarterback which DeAngelo is. Chytil has the potential to equal or surpass Larkin’s limited stats, something you probably forgot to look at.. Chytil and the first round pick included is just more of the dumbness in your trade. But keep pulling on your pipe and dreaming this crap up it’s good for a chuckle.
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Posted 2020-08-13 8:48 PM (#734079 - in reply to #734078)
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Rranger - 2020-08-13 8:35 PM

Buchnevich was one of the most improved Rangers last year along with DeAngelo. His top five offensive defensemen in the league status is noticeable for a youngster, who’s defence with good coaching will come around. Only a idiot would get rid of those two because you think you don’t need them. Lundqvist is a year away and he’s not going to walk in and replace DeAngelo’s offence immediately if he ever does. Lundqvist will be a lot more worried about making the team than becoming the team PP quarterback which DeAngelo is. Chytil has the potential to equal or surpass Larkin’s limited stats, something you probably forgot to look at.. Chytil and the first round pick included is just more of the dumbness in your trade. But keep pulling on your pipe and dreaming this crap up it’s good for a chuckle.

So, you’re saying a bird in hand is worth two in the bush? Can’t argue with that, especially when it comes to TDA
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Posted 2020-08-13 9:09 PM (#734080 - in reply to #734079)
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amacpher - 2020-08-13 7:48 PM

Rranger - 2020-08-13 8:35 PM

Buchnevich was one of the most improved Rangers last year along with DeAngelo. His top five offensive defensemen in the league status is noticeable for a youngster, who’s defence with good coaching will come around. Only a idiot would get rid of those two because you think you don’t need them. Lundqvist is a year away and he’s not going to walk in and replace DeAngelo’s offence immediately if he ever does. Lundqvist will be a lot more worried about making the team than becoming the team PP quarterback which DeAngelo is. Chytil has the potential to equal or surpass Larkin’s limited stats, something you probably forgot to look at.. Chytil and the first round pick included is just more of the dumbness in your trade. But keep pulling on your pipe and dreaming this crap up it’s good for a chuckle.

So, you’re saying a bird in hand is worth two in the bush? Can’t argue with that, especially when it comes to TDA






That and trading Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Chytil and a first for Larkin is beyond stupid.
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Posted 2020-08-14 5:02 AM (#734082 - in reply to #734065)
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PV29 - 2020-08-13 2:57 PM

In past seasons, just adding Lafrenière and K'Andre Miller to the team would be awesome and create all kinds of excitement for the start of the season.

But there's also Kakko, Shesterkin, Fox, Lindgren, DeAngelo, Chytil, Kravtsov, Gauthier, and Lemiuex. Add the established guys like Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider and Trouba. Wow. Can't remember an upcoming season in all the years I've followed the Rangers where there were so many young, talented players on one roster who were going to develop and grow together. Even the Craig Patrick and early Neil Smith teams didn't have this promise. Can't wait for next season!
Not since the late 70's when a big influx of young talent replaced a good, but aging team. 2021 could be our 1978. 2022 could be our 1979.

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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-08-14 7:15 AM (#734083 - in reply to #734071)
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Fortunately, Gorton and JD do agree with my take on Lias Andersson as they went out of their way not to trade him and keep inviting him to come back. I trust their evaluation of him.
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Posted 2020-08-14 7:58 AM (#734084 - in reply to #734082)
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Steady Eddie - 2020-08-14 4:02 AM

PV29 - 2020-08-13 2:57 PM

In past seasons, just adding Lafrenière and K'Andre Miller to the team would be awesome and create all kinds of excitement for the start of the season.

But there's also Kakko, Shesterkin, Fox, Lindgren, DeAngelo, Chytil, Kravtsov, Gauthier, and Lemiuex. Add the established guys like Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider and Trouba. Wow. Can't remember an upcoming season in all the years I've followed the Rangers where there were so many young, talented players on one roster who were going to develop and grow together. Even the Craig Patrick and early Neil Smith teams didn't have this promise. Can't wait for next season!
Not since the late 70's when a big influx of young talent replaced a good, but aging team. 2021 could be our 1978. 2022 could be our 1979.






Very exciting times. Gorton has done a tremendous job.
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Posted 2020-08-14 8:20 AM (#734085 - in reply to #734000)
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Posted 2020-08-14 11:10 AM (#734087 - in reply to #734083)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2020-08-14 7:15 AM

Fortunately, Gorton and JD do agree with my take on Lias Andersson as they went out of their way not to trade him and keep inviting him to come back. I trust their evaluation of him.


If they could've found someone that wanted to trade for him they would've. Lias put them in a no win situation. And what happened when they invited him back? He spurned them.....Good Riddance!
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Posted 2020-08-14 1:02 PM (#734089 - in reply to #734000)
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Andersson was not exactly a bad pick although I’d have preferred Casey Middlestadt who hasn’t had much success either. Not much after Andersson in that draft. That being said Andersson is somewhat hockey royalty in Sweden with a Dad and Uncle who both played in the NHL, probably leading to his sense of entitlement to be allowed to play at the NHL level ready or not. To good in his mind for the Rangers North American farm team in Hartford, yet shown absolutely nothing at the NHL level. . A trade for Pujujarvi from Edmonton a right wing might still be the best way out depending on additional compensation by the Rangers. And know Edmonton will want some extra scratch. 1 for 1 ain’t happening.
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Posted 2020-08-15 12:56 AM (#734096 - in reply to #734083)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2020-08-14 6:15 AM

Fortunately, Gorton and JD do agree with my take on Lias Andersson as they went out of their way not to trade him and keep inviting him to come back. I trust their evaluation of him.


Andersson after leaving, implied the rangers had mistreated him, JD wasn’t going to let that stand and has done everything reasonable to demonstrate that the org is doing the right thing. This is important to fans, the league and especially other players, it’s also a part of JDs personality, in terms of running a professional org.

That doesn’t mean the rangers think he’s a fit, but the reach out and invite to camp demonstrate the team is being fair, and puts the onus back on Andersson.

There were also reports of them looking to make a trade last season that ultimately couldn’t close, which should also go some way toward giving a sense of where they see him, and his subsequent turning down of the invite to camp probably doesn’t help.

The rangers also have an interest in trying to maintain some potential trade value, and these actions would help them do so, even if its not a substantial return. Letting him mouth off and remain upset would certainly not help the rangers nor any potential trades that might come about.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-08-15 4:22 AM (#734097 - in reply to #734000)
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Lias Andersson would not have been hard to deal. They don't want to deal him. Lias had some issues which were his fault but also was mistreated by Quinn. He clearly outplayed Howden in the pre-season and was given less icetime from day one of the season by Quinn. Said it many times. That's poor coaching and a terrible message to other young players that the pre-season means nothing as a young player. When your coach sends the message to young players that he plays favorites and ignores their play in the pre-season, you are going to run into issues like this. JD and Gorton clearly didn't agree with what Quinn did. If they did, it would have been very easy to trade Andersson. The Rangers are soft, piss poor defensive team which is a product of their coach and many of their players. Lias is a player with an edge who can be a top defensive guy. What he needs is a coach who isn't a clusterfuk when it comes to getting his team to play team defense.
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Posted 2020-08-15 4:22 AM (#734098 - in reply to #734000)
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Lias Andersson would not have been hard to deal. They don't want to deal him. Lias had some issues which were his fault but also was mistreated by Quinn. He clearly outplayed Howden in the pre-season and was given less icetime from day one of the season by Quinn. Said it many times. That's poor coaching and a terrible message to other young players that the pre-season means nothing as a young player. When your coach sends the message to young players that he plays favorites and ignores their play in the pre-season, you are going to run into issues like this. JD and Gorton clearly didn't agree with what Quinn did. If they did, it would have been very easy to trade Andersson. The Rangers are soft, piss poor defensive team which is a product of their coach and many of their players. Lias is a player with an edge who can be a top defensive guy. What he needs is a coach who isn't a clusterfuk when it comes to getting his team to play team defense.
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Posted 2020-08-15 6:03 AM (#734099 - in reply to #734000)
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Problem is our fan base is full of obnoxious hypocrites who sulked like little babies when Lias asked for a trade. Fox told the Canes to get lost and probably did the same with the Flames and nobody here said crap about it because he only wanted to play here. Same with Hayes. Same with Vesey. They all told their teams they weren't signing. Lias was signed then asked for a trade which IMO is a lot better than what those three guys did. Rangers fans are so arrogant that they think every player must always want to play here. More importantly is this board going back over a decade never, ever, thinks the coach is wrong. Whoever is coaching the team it's always the players fault. NHL coaches are awful with playing favorites and always have been. There are lots of prospects on every team that are consistently treated unfairly and not given a legit opportunity. We saw it with Renney. We saw it with Torts. We saw it with AV who never wanted to play a stay at home d man and it led to Gorton pissing away Graves. To some extent we are seeing it with Quinn. He loves Smith and McKegg and they both suck. He bends over for Howden who hasn't shown jack sh!t in 2 years. He continues to play Chytil at center where he sucks and can't win a faceoff. Buchnevich plays with his head up his azzz half the games yet he's consistently given another chance game after game.

Quinn has been a total prick with Lias. Lias was immature when he showed up at Traverse and half-azzzzed it. It's obvious that Quinn has held that against him since the day it happened. You don't hold a grudge against an 18-19 old kid like that. His mental immaturity aside, Lias isn't stupid and can see what Quinn was doing to him. Quinn has as much blame in this as Lias does. Yet, this board which continually kisses the azz of every coach we have here won't recognize that. You don't get called a coaches dream by every scouting report like Lias was and then suddenly turn into a coaches nightmare without that coach having a lot to do with it.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2020-08-15 7:39 AM (#734100 - in reply to #734000)
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I for one did not sulk when he asked for a trade, I actually cheered. When he walked away from the team in Hartford is when I sulked, because he made it impossible for the Rangers to get any type of value back for him.

Reney, Tortz, and especially AV have been highly criticized by the fanbase. To suggest that we always said they were not the problem is almost as blind as your view of Lias.
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