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Fish
Posted 2020-08-11 2:31 PM (#734041)
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So with Tony DeAngelo up for a new contract, what is your limit in terms of dollars and years?
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Posted 2020-08-12 7:38 AM (#734055 - in reply to #734041)
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I say trade him.. I know he still has upside.. and he has been a big part of the team but the facts are you have a very solid pair in Fox and Lingren... so that is your second pair for the next say 5 years... You also have Trouba signed for 7 more years so that is half your top pair. which only leaves a top D and the 3rd pairing. NOw D'Angelo is not a top 2 D man and him beside Trouba would be a massive mistake so you have really the 3rd pair.. which given what he will ask is a steep price to pay for a 3rd pair guy.. add to that you have Miller and Lundqvist about to join the club. in the say next 2 years, so that is money you will need to find to pay those kids . AND if either or BOTH are ready next year then where do you a PP guy with suspect D asking for upwards of 5 million... trade him as he has value.. and save the cash (you also have Libor who could also step in that 2 year gap until the kids are ready., NOT resigning him is dodging the Shattenkirk bullet.. a guy who has very good offense and no defense... do not make the same mistake.

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Posted 2020-08-13 1:20 PM (#734066 - in reply to #734041)
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Said it before. With young max player types at forward and in goal, you can't afford to sign players like TDA, Strome and Buchnevich with flaws. Buchnevich no longer is a top 4 winger on this team so he's useless.
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Posted 2020-08-13 4:44 PM (#734070 - in reply to #734041)
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Ideally I'd like to keep DeAngelo, because he provides something that no one else does right now, at that is offense from the blue line. I love what Adam Fox can do, and Trouba can contribute offense, but there's really daylight - and lots of it - between DeAngelo and those guys.

Defensively he's weak, but I think you take him out of the line-up and perhaps there's an impact on the team offense that outweigh's his "contributions" on defense.

The money/term is more complicated, I think DeAngelo will probably looking at around $5-5.5M per year for 5-6 years, and I think that's too rich, the question becomes whether you could get him for more like $3.5M for maybe 4 years, and perhaps that is something that might work.

Another wildcard is Nils Lundkvist, it may be that his offense would be a viable replacement, he'll be cheaper and he is a right-handed shot. We don't know yet how he's do defensively in the league (or offensively for that matter) but I think that ultimately is probably something to consider.
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Posted 2020-08-13 6:07 PM (#734075 - in reply to #734041)
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Once the Rangers know he wants a ridiculous contract.

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Rranger
Posted 2020-08-13 8:16 PM (#734076 - in reply to #734041)
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DeAngelo is not signing for $3.5 mill for 4 years. He was a elite offensive defensemen last year. $5.5 mill for three years maybe. Gives him financial security with a hug3 payday down the road if his offensive trending continues.
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Posted 2020-08-14 8:45 PM (#734094 - in reply to #734041)
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I agree I like his O side.. but yes we run that shattenkirk type siigning paying TOO much as he will look to the 5 mark and lets look long term..and think IF things go as they should the Ranger D in 2 years...

Trouba long term heavy money not moving 8 million a year
Fox going to get better and need the 5 million or more mark
IF Miller and Lundqvist are as good as they should be... look at them to be everyday guys in the next two seasons and probably playing in the top two pairs... each making in and around that million
Lindgren has been a brigh spot and might be an odd man out but he is probably the BEST defender on a team full of offense.. so keep him again in that 3-4 million range.. .

you CANT put Trouba and Tony D as a pair ... you can't put him with Fox.. and why would you break Lindgren fox up.. so miller maybe.. but Miller will need to be beside trouba... so that leaves Tony D making 5 million or more as the third pairing... playing PP mainly...

that to me is too much money.. they are better off moving him (or Trouba before the NMC kicks in which I am not sure with the whole COVID sesaon if it has ot not.. ) IF you move Trouba.. then keep him.. if not.. then you HAVE to move him.

Get a pick to help stock pile as the Rangers are in a great spot of young talent. and filling the cupboards for down the road is not bad as each of the past three seasons (minus anderson) will be playing in the next season or two...

PLUS when you have this MUCH young talent the paydays are coming to Igor is going from entry-level to starter money(Hank type) pretty quick.... FOX will take any money they lose from Staal or Smith.. .


Tong D and Strome should be moved to get bacak picks.. this team has kids coming up and with Panarin,Kreider and Trouba set... and kids like Kakko, Chytl Fix Lindgren etc all young the rangers need cap releif... and space to get kids in and playing. and signing both may be good for the short term of the team.. they are not for the long term health both financially but opportunity.
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Posted 2020-08-15 9:29 PM (#734101 - in reply to #734041)
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The Rangers need to be careful about to fast a move on DeAngelo whether it’s trading him this off season, or signing him. Both moves could bite them. My personal hope is they can sign him for three years in the $5.5 range. Gives time for kids to develop and also to get a true handle on his worth. In three years that might be a bundle. But at least by then you will know his worth. Trade him this summer and his game takes another jump and the Rangers will be the laughing stock of the league. Based on last years stats it’s almost a guarantee his stats will improve once more. And of course keeping DeAngelo is predicated on Staal or Smith or both being moved or bought out. If it’s only one buyout hopefully it would be Staal.


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Posted 2020-08-16 1:21 AM (#734102 - in reply to #734041)
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I think getting the first overall pick is a game changer in the future plan for the Rangers. Picking 13-15 and Carolinas pick in the pref 25 say slot would have meant the Rangers could pick a decent player or players to go with the youth coming up.. but getting the numebr one means that you could have an instant impact forward.. which given the room in the roster the money to carry it they have to look HARD at this year as the tipping point.

Strome who would would have been a near lock to lock up for a 3 year deal all of a sudden looks like he should be on the way out given the money it would take to keep him. he did catch fire with Panarin but one season is not a big money contract and with the money given to Krieder and Zibaanjad showing he is a true number one the money might not be there to sign him. so moving him is the smarter play

D'Angelo is the same. Given Trouba is signed for long and big money and kids coming up who want to play NOW like Miller and Lundqvist add to the others and the D pairs and the money is just not there.

Now moving both as two packages.. with say a Buchnevich and/or Carolinas 1st this year could net them the 2nd line centre they will be needing. I am not saying ALL that .. but a 1st rounder and either strome or D'angelo could get you a decent return .. along with a second trade of say Buch and Stome/D'Angelo.

The money that this team has to come up with in the future will be MASSIVE.. Trouba Panarin and Kreider (and I can only assume Zibanjad) will be big money and it the kids are as good as the hype the money will soon catch up to the Rangers. Sherstekin .. Fox ... Kakko to name one per area.. will all be getting hefty raises if they stay on the path they are projected to be.

The Rangers cannot afford to keep paying money on longer term deals. Tony D and Strome (and Fast) will need to go to pave the way for this team to have the kids signed for a decade. cupboards are full but everything is high end... expensive talent.
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Rranger
Posted 2020-08-16 10:22 AM (#734103 - in reply to #734041)
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Nobody is signing Strome or DeAngelo to long term contracts with a flat cap unless they are team friendly. Both have had one good year, and neither one has earned long term contract consideration. It will be a bridge deal for both if they are signed. And it would be very important on the Rangers part to limit any trade restrictions especially with the cap the way it’s going to be for the next few years I’m sure Gorton is aware of how important roster movement at his discretion is going to be til the world gets back to normal.. Without question a new market will emerge during and after the off-season. Teams will not have that yearly cap increase for a few years. One would think it would make GM’s very aware of how they are spending.
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Posted 2020-09-13 6:44 AM (#734195 - in reply to #734103)
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Brooks makes an interesting and vaild point.

Here is another reason, perhaps the most significant one, that the Rangers won’t be signing impending restricted free agent Tony DeAngelo to a multi-year contract and instead are seeking to trade the 24-year-old righty defenseman:

That is because a contract of longer than one year for DeAngelo would all but ensure losing 20-year-old righty defenseman Nils Lundkvist to unrestricted free agency on June 2, 2022, without ever getting the Swede to Broadway.


https://nypost.com/2020/09/12/nils-lundkvist-dilemma-pushing-rangers...

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Rranger
Posted 2020-09-13 8:41 AM (#734196 - in reply to #734041)
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Signing DeAngelo and Strome is a no brainer as long as both are tradeable when and if their replacements are here.
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Posted 2020-09-13 11:27 AM (#734197 - in reply to #734196)
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Rranger - 2020-09-13 10:41 AM

Signing DeAngelo and Strome is a no brainer as long as both are tradeable when and if their replacements are here.

Why is it a no brainer. Who knows what they will ask for and what they will get. Its far from a no brainer
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Posted 2020-09-13 2:29 PM (#734199 - in reply to #734197)
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ej17 - 2020-09-13 10:27 AM

Rranger - 2020-09-13 10:41 AM

Signing DeAngelo and Strome is a no brainer as long as both are tradeable when and if their replacements are here.

Why is it a no brainer. Who knows what they will ask for and what they will get. Its far from a no brainer






The terms will be reasonable. Neither will be overpaid, and neither one will get a long term unless it’s beyond team friendly. Both will be moveable at any time, Gorton is to smart to get tied into no trade contracts with guys who are still establishing a long term value.
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Posted 2020-09-14 5:19 AM (#734200 - in reply to #734199)
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Rranger - 2020-09-13 4:29 PM

ej17 - 2020-09-13 10:27 AM

Rranger - 2020-09-13 10:41 AM

Signing DeAngelo and Strome is a no brainer as long as both are tradeable when and if their replacements are here.

Why is it a no brainer. Who knows what they will ask for and what they will get. Its far from a no brainer


The terms will be reasonable. Neither will be overpaid, and neither one will get a long term unless it’s beyond team friendly. Both will be moveable at any time, Gorton is to smart to get tied into no trade contracts with guys who are still establishing a long term value.


Based on his offensive numbers (tied for 4th overall in goals and points for defensemen), Tony D could command $5.5-to-$6 million.

Again, based on his offensive numbers (22nd overall in points for a center), Strome could command the same money.

In my opinion, this would be overpaying.

As for Gorton being too smart to get tied into no trade contracts with guys who are still establishing a long term value, Jacob Trouba says hi.

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Posted 2020-09-14 3:30 PM (#734201 - in reply to #734200)
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Steady Eddie - 2020-09-14 4:19 AM

Rranger - 2020-09-13 4:29 PM

ej17 - 2020-09-13 10:27 AM

Rranger - 2020-09-13 10:41 AM

Signing DeAngelo and Strome is a no brainer as long as both are tradeable when and if their replacements are here.

Why is it a no brainer. Who knows what they will ask for and what they will get. Its far from a no brainer


The terms will be reasonable. Neither will be overpaid, and neither one will get a long term unless it’s beyond team friendly. Both will be moveable at any time, Gorton is to smart to get tied into no trade contracts with guys who are still establishing a long term value.


Based on his offensive numbers (tied for 4th overall in goals and points for defensemen), Tony D could command $5.5-to-$6 million.

Again, based on his offensive numbers (22nd overall in points for a center), Strome could command the same money.

In my opinion, this would be overpaying.

As for Gorton being too smart to get tied into no trade contracts with guys who are still establishing a long term value, Jacob Trouba says hi.





Both will be in the $5 mill per area. Both are worth retaining at that $ and the right term imo, so we disagree. It’s the cost of doing business in today’s NHL. Also very important that both are tradeable when and if that comes. Trouba personally not sold either way on him, but do think he will settle in and do better especially if some new blood is brought in replacing Staal and Smith.

Edited by Rranger 2020-09-14 8:35 PM
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