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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-09-26 5:33 PM (#734228)
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TSN reporting Staal and a second to Detroit for future considerations.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-09-26 6:06 PM (#734229 - in reply to #734228)
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Makes a buyout of Lundqvist a little more palatable and likely.
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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2020-09-26 6:10 PM (#734230 - in reply to #734228)
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Another player who would’ve been a Ranger LEGEND, number in the rafters, had Rick f-INg Nash, our 8 mil a year goal scorer, scored more than 14 goals in 73 playoff games!!!!! 3 goals in 25 games during our Stanley Cup year.... and I don’t want to hear about concussions because he scored a lot during the regular season! Rick Nash... the biggest failure in a long list of big star failures in NYR’s history!

Sad because so many players played way and above, left blood on the ice, Hank, Cally, Girardi, Staal, McD, Hags, Steps, etc etc. A team that deserved more!
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-09-26 6:53 PM (#734231 - in reply to #734228)
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Now get rid of that fn moron Buchnevich, get Bennett and some second rounders back.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-09-26 7:19 PM (#734232 - in reply to #734228)
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I think K’andre Millers ticket to the NHL just got punched.
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2020-09-26 8:20 PM (#734234 - in reply to #734228)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL3_ck_ikBQ&ab_channel=TheHockeyGuy
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2020-09-26 8:23 PM (#734235 - in reply to #734228)
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Does this mean they likely sign TonyD?
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Posted 2020-09-26 8:51 PM (#734236 - in reply to #734235)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2020-09-26 8:23 PM

Does this mean they likely sign TonyD?


I’d say most likely & Miller also has a spot open for him if he doesn’t bomb in camp
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-09-26 8:52 PM (#734237 - in reply to #734228)
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I don’t think unless DeAngelos agent tried playing contract hardball he was going anywhere.
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Beezer34
Posted 2020-09-27 2:52 AM (#734238 - in reply to #734228)
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This is part one of about a half dozen moves prior to UFA season.... Staal cleares cap tp resign players... the talk was Strome on a 2 year deal...

But I think you do the same sweetener with Smith and clear him out.. then do another one if you can with Hank..(I love Hank) but I think he has to move one.. either retire .. and play in Europe.. or accept a trade.. but his time is over. with Staal and Smith and Hank gone that clears close to 20 million. which will go to resigning players..

Tony Deangelo
I will say this.. Tony D has to go too.. he has no place on this team in a few years...... IF... the players they drafted pan out.. Trouba is signed he is going no where.. Fox and Lindren are the best pair. so Tony D is the 3rd Right D... and the money he wants . and term he will ask.. will not be good for a team that will have the players they have to sign over the next 3 years.. . move him get that 2nd or even a 1st back in return. Remember Miller and Lundqvist are wanting to play... add Rykov and Hjak as well and it does not make sense to add the cost of Tony D.

Ryan Strome
He had a good season.... ONE good season.. playing with a guy that was thought of as the hart trophy winner with the kids coming up and who they will draft and who knows if Anderson comes back into the fold.. but the Rangers will have a bunch of players to add to big names like Panarin and Kreider and Zib is up for a raise soon too.. so like Tony D his place in the lineup is not a lock in a year or two..

Move Tony D for a decent young centre... and maybe you package strome with him ... but at the end of the day both should have played their last games .. Not for any reason than they do not fit with the future and the future is MUHC closer after you pick guys like Kakko and soon Lefreniere.... the Rangers will need money to pony up for Igor.. and Fox and others so ... spending money now will only be buyouts in 3-5 years... with those two players.

BY the time the prospects and of the past few years develop to be top tier NHL all stars.. these two will be the guys that the Rangers need to trade to clear cap... and positions for.
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Steady Eddie
Posted 2020-09-27 6:41 AM (#734239 - in reply to #734228)
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Worth losing a 2nd to get this stiff and his contract off the books. Let's build a team.
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Vua
Posted 2020-09-27 6:48 AM (#734240 - in reply to #734228)
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Why should the Rangers give up more assets to clear cap space they don't need? They may buy out Hank just to get rid of him but it would probably cost you a first rounder at least to trade him. It would be a complete waste of assets. And it would be a waste to buy out Smith. The savings difference between sending him to the minors and buying him out is about $500k. Better to finish his contract and have no hit moving forward.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-09-27 7:38 AM (#734241 - in reply to #734234)
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Miller isn't close to ready. He played under a terrible coaching staff with Wisconsin. He needs at least one full year the AHL. Maybe more.


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Steady Eddie
Posted 2020-09-27 12:50 PM (#734244 - in reply to #734240)
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Vua - 2020-09-27 8:48 AM

Why should the Rangers give up more assets to clear cap space they don't need? They may buy out Hank just to get rid of him but it would probably cost you a first rounder at least to trade him. It would be a complete waste of assets. And it would be a waste to buy out Smith. The savings difference between sending him to the minors and buying him out is about $500k. Better to finish his contract and have no hit moving forward.


I have to disagree. First off, we are not talking a first rounder here, we are talking a second round pick that has just a 34% chance of becoming an NHL player. Our assets are our first round picks, then the sum of all our other picks. We are not giving up much in order to give us the ability to retain some good talent, and to also dump a player that will keep a good prospect from learning his trade early. Addition by subtraction.

As to giving up a first in order to dump Henk's contract, they would be foolish to do this, where a first has a 74% chance of being an NHL'r. Better to just buy him out. I agree with keeping Smith. Just let his contract run out. They won't save much in a buyout.



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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-09-27 4:56 PM (#734245 - in reply to #734228)
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As usual Vua is a clueless moron.
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Posted 2020-09-27 5:41 PM (#734246 - in reply to #734244)
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Steady Eddie - 2020-09-27 12:50 PM

Vua - 2020-09-27 8:48 AM

Why should the Rangers give up more assets to clear cap space they don't need? They may buy out Hank just to get rid of him but it would probably cost you a first rounder at least to trade him. It would be a complete waste of assets. And it would be a waste to buy out Smith. The savings difference between sending him to the minors and buying him out is about $500k. Better to finish his contract and have no hit moving forward.


I have to disagree. First off, we are not talking a first rounder here, we are talking a second round pick that has just a 34% chance of becoming an NHL player. Our assets are our first round picks, then the sum of all our other picks. We are not giving up much in order to give us the ability to retain some good talent, and to also dump a player that will keep a good prospect from learning his trade early. Addition by subtraction.

As to giving up a first in order to dump Henk's contract, they would be foolish to do this, where a first has a 74% chance of being an NHL'r. Better to just buy him out. I agree with keeping Smith. Just let his contract run out. They won't save much in a buyout.





I wasn't talking about the Staal trade. I'm talking about Beezer wanting to trade more assets to get rid of more contracts.
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Vua
Posted 2020-09-27 5:43 PM (#734247 - in reply to #734245)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2020-09-27 4:56 PM

As usual Vua is a clueless moron.


Right. You don't understand. I'm not the clueless one. You are literally 0 for every prospect you've ever claimed will make it. Bite me douche bag.
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Posted 2020-09-27 7:48 PM (#734248 - in reply to #734228)
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To trade Hank and in order to do so you trade 1st rounder with him that is as stupid idea as Smith acquiring Jari Kuri.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-09-27 9:06 PM (#734249 - in reply to #734228)
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The Rangers no longer have to worry about trading a pick and or prospect to dump Lundqvist’s contract. The unexpected trade of Staal and his contract eliminates having to sweeten a Lundqvist deal with valuable assets to dump his contract. Buy him out now and adios amigos.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-09-28 6:14 AM (#734250 - in reply to #734228)
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The reason you buy Smith out is because he's one of the players that Quinn sucks off. Staal was another one. So was Fast. You have to take the useless toys away from this coach.
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Posted 2020-09-28 10:05 AM (#734251 - in reply to #734247)
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Vua - 2020-09-27 5:43 PM

itsmcilrathtime - 2020-09-27 4:56 PM

As usual Vua is a clueless moron.


Right. You don't understand. I'm not the clueless one. You are literally 0 for every prospect you've ever claimed will make it. Bite me douche bag.


Isn't he the same poser that predicted that Pavel Brendl would be the next Pavel Bure because they both had the same first name ... just asking

Edited by RANGERNUT 2020-09-28 12:28 PM
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2020-09-28 1:36 PM (#734253 - in reply to #734228)
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No dumbass. Lay off the drugs.
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Steady Eddie
Posted 2020-09-29 6:00 AM (#734259 - in reply to #734250)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2020-09-28 8:14 AM

The reason you buy Smith out is because he's one of the players that Quinn sucks off. Staal was another one. So was Fast. You have to take the useless toys away from this coach.
You're not saving much by buying out Smith. This years cap hit is $4.35 million. A buyout splits it to $2.78 million this year and $783,000 next year, a total of $3.56 million.

I like Smith as the 7th d-man. I never want to see him play forward again.

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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-09-29 7:24 AM (#734260 - in reply to #734259)
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Steady Eddie - 2020-09-29 5:00 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2020-09-28 8:14 AM

The reason you buy Smith out is because he's one of the players that Quinn sucks off. Staal was another one. So was Fast. You have to take the useless toys away from this coach.
You're not saving much by buying out Smith. This years cap hit is $4.35 million. A buyout splits it to $2.78 million this year and $783,000 next year, a total of $3.56 million.

I like Smith as the 7th d-man. I never want to see him play forward again.




Smith's contract is not a problem now in light of Staal gone and Lundqvist soon to follow., use him as a depth guy and let walk when his deal is up. He is one of the few Rangers that will get physical and answer the bell.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2020-09-29 10:35 AM (#734263 - in reply to #734228)
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If Smith gets beat out in camp by a younger player, Smith can be demoted to the AHL and the Rangers would save money there.
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Posted 2020-09-29 12:14 PM (#734265 - in reply to #734228)
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1 of those players that never took a game off, but to get a nice pick back is a good move.
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Posted 2020-09-29 12:40 PM (#734266 - in reply to #734228)
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I have to say, that I've been very impressed with Gorton's ability to work within the Cap situation since inheriting a team that had several long term commitments. Ultimately it comes down to success, and we've got a long way to meet that milestone, but he's been artful in being able to take seemingly intractable problems and find a way to move the team forward.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-09-29 2:30 PM (#734267 - in reply to #734266)
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Fish - 2020-09-29 11:40 AM

I have to say, that I've been very impressed with Gorton's ability to work within the Cap situation since inheriting a team that had several long term commitments. Ultimately it comes down to success, and we've got a long way to meet that milestone, but he's been artful in being able to take seemingly intractable problems and find a way to move the team forward.




Agreed this deal for Staal another example of making hay out of horse feathers. Came out of nowhere, so simple, yet fills so many holes, can release Henrek now, money to sign teams UFA’s, keeps the 22nd pick, allows him to use it in a trade for a top Center or draft with it and add another blue chipper to the roster hopper which is filling with some excellent prospects who will soon be ready to join Howden, Gauthier, Kakko, Lemieux, DeAngelo, Fox, Lindgren, Shestorokin, Chytil, and Georgiev in New York.

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EdwardXIII
Posted 2020-10-11 10:16 AM (#734539 - in reply to #734238)
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Beezer 34 - I totally agree about Tony D. I only wished they had moved him at the deadline for a return (is he UFA or RFA?), but your analysis was spot on. He's the third pair right D on this team and rightfully so because his play in his own end is atrocious. Trouba makes too much $ and Fox/ Lindgren was consistently our best pair. Tony D is excellent on the PP, but I think Fox can be just as good and I think Trouba will be better next season. Add that to the plethora of young d-men in the pipeline and it would be stupid to give TD that big contract he's probably looking for.
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EdwardXIII
Posted 2020-10-11 10:31 AM (#734540 - in reply to #734228)
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I wish Staal well, he was an excellent Ranger. With him and Hank gone, that's it. They were the last of a consistently very good team that just fell short a couple of times. Girardi, McD and so on....even going back to Callahan and Stepan. Those were exciting seasons. Staal was never the best defenseman on the team, but him and Girardi were always out there against the oppositions top guys and they came to play every night. For some reason, I will always remember Staal's first NHL goal against Marty & the Devils.

Smith is sort of the same (though not as good as Staal or G) - never the best guy out there, but always gives his all on the ice (which is really all you can ask for). I agree that buying him out makes little sense, he is the perfect 7th d-man and a perfect guy to show our kids how to be a professional in this league.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-10-11 10:39 AM (#734541 - in reply to #734228)
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Smiths versatility and the over expectations of his talents will be front and Center this year again. His versatility a bonus on the cap strapped team. He does a adequate fourth line and third pair dman job. He was pretty good last year, with some of his best hockey played paired with Trouba.
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Posted 2020-10-11 12:21 PM (#734543 - in reply to #734230)
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I agree that those teams deserved more. They should've won at least 1 cup. However, I think to lay it all on Nash is a bit unfair. Hockey is the ultimate team sport and Nash always gave 100% on every shift, and I always enjoyed watching him play. Unfortunately, he will most likely be remembered as the guy who could never score the big goal in the playoffs.....for whatever reason. He's not entirely unique in that sense. Ovechkin struggled to score for several playoff rounds and he's a much better offensive player than Nash. Of course, Ovie overcame that particular issue and wound up having some monster post seasons. The playoffs are weird like that. You'd have average to above average guys like Hags, Boyle even Dom Moore that stepped it up big time in the playoffs, then you have guys that seem unstoppable for 82 games and then lose that "scoring touch" in the playoffs.

I loved Nash as a player even before he came to NY and nobody wanted him to succeed more than I did. I can't explain how a guy with that much talent couldn't consistently score in the playoffs and it is absolutely fair to criticize him for that. I never considered him a pure goal scorer like an Ovechkin, but I'd argue that a guy like Nash is more valuable to a team because he was a complete player. He was out there on the PP and PK and he never took a shift off, which again, is all you can ask for from a player. But when you take that huge contract and are brought in to be "the guy", your failures will always stand out way more than your successes. Trouba will soon learn this if he doesn't pick up his play (I think he will).

Now, just for comparison:

Some stats from the Stanley Cup year, in the finals:

McDonough 5GP 1G 3A 4P 9shots 33:16 Avg. TOI (NYR leading scorer in that series)
Nash 5GP 0G 0A 0P 18shots 18:55 Avg. TOI vs Reg. Season 65GP 26G 13A 39P

J. Williams 5GP 2G 5A 7P 19shots 19:52 Avg. TOI (LAK leading scorer in that series)
Kopitar 5GP 0G 2A 2P 10shots 25:04 Avg. TOI vs Reg. Season 82GP 29G 41A 70P
Gaborik 5GP 2G 1A 3P 13 shots 20:34 Avg. TOI

3 of the 5 games went to OT. 2 games to 2OT. We all know that series was a lot closer than a 4-1 series win would seem.

Both goalies were phenomenal :
Hank 5GP 15GA 194SA 179SV .923 SV% vs Quick 5GP 10GA 146SA 136SV .932SV%

Had Nash scored just 2 goals in that series, the results could have been much different and then Nash would be viewed entirely different by Rangers fans. Unfortunately, he didn't, so a lot of fans throw a lot of (undeserved) hate his way.

Who do you consider to be a better player, Nash or Kopitar?

In my opinion, Kopitar was/is the better player. He had 2 assists in that same series, averaging 6 minutes more per game.

Their career stats make my point: Kopitar: 14 yrs NHL 1073GP/ 333G/ 617A/ 950P vs Nash: 15 yrs NHL 1060GP/ 437G/ 368A/ 805P

Postseason: Kopitar: 79GP/ 21G/ 45A/ 66P vs Nash: 89GP/ 18G/ 28A/ 46P


Nash should be remembered as a very good (not great) player who was a big part of some great teams. His huge contract (especially in the cap era) will always be held against him, which is fair.

Unrelated to his play:

Nash also got us Buchnevich with CBJ's 3rd rd pick in 2013 and Lindgren in the trade to Boston. Plus, Boston's 1st rd. pick in 2018, so that would be either Miller or Lunqqvist.

I just think it's unfair to label his NYR career as a failure. I'll agree that he didn't live up to his contract, but we could say that about a lot of players.

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