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Steady Eddie
Posted 2020-10-15 5:49 AM (#734581)
Subject: 2 RFA's File for Arbitration - Dates Set



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Ryan Strome, Thursday, November 5 ($3.1 million)
Brendan Lemieux, Friday, November 6 ($925k)
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-10-15 8:57 AM (#734584 - in reply to #734581)
Subject: Re: 4 RFA's File for Arbitration - Dates Set



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I think its good to get a resolution as soon as possible with DeAngelo, and to have some more time to scope out 2nd center opportunities before dealing with Strome. So the hearing schedule works for the Rangers.
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Fish
Posted 2020-10-15 11:13 AM (#734585 - in reply to #734581)
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It might be worth taking Strome all the way through arbitration and take the one-year. DeAngelo is a tougher decision I think, because there's still a possibility you want to keep him longer, and if he plays on another one year deal and continues to improve then you're stuck with an even bigger contract. Not really sure what Georgiev will look for, and hopefully Lemieux realizes he still has a lot more to prove, but given the Rangers don't have a lot of other players like him, that's going to probably add some value to his contract.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-10-15 12:31 PM (#734586 - in reply to #734581)
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I think Georgiev shouldn’t be a problem, he still has some proving to do. In Lemieux case his dad Claude is his agent and he definitely knows the ropes, understanding arbitration probably maximizes contract value and will take full advantage of it. If the Rangers balk at the ruling there will be other teams ready to pounce. He will be right down to the wire.
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Vua
Posted 2020-10-15 1:59 PM (#734587 - in reply to #734586)
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LaFrenger - 2020-10-15 12:31 PM

I think Georgiev shouldn’t be a problem, he still has some proving to do. In Lemieux case his dad Claude is his agent and he definitely knows the ropes, understanding arbitration probably maximizes contract value and will take full advantage of it. If the Rangers balk at the ruling there will be other teams ready to pounce. He will be right down to the wire.


Why would his father know more than agents who go through the process every year? Other than keeping the money in the family he's at more of a disadvantage with his father acting as his agent. He's not going to get much in arbitration. What stats is he going to use to leverage for more money? Hits?
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2020-10-15 3:43 PM (#734588 - in reply to #734581)
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Georgiev is signed 2 years cap hit of 2.425
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-10-15 4:11 PM (#734590 - in reply to #734587)
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Vua - 2020-10-15 12:59 PM

LaFrenger - 2020-10-15 12:31 PM

I think Georgiev shouldn’t be a problem, he still has some proving to do. In Lemieux case his dad Claude is his agent and he definitely knows the ropes, understanding arbitration probably maximizes contract value and will take full advantage of it. If the Rangers balk at the ruling there will be other teams ready to pounce. He will be right down to the wire.


Why would his father know more than agents who go through the process every year? Other than keeping the money in the family he's at more of a disadvantage with his father acting as his agent. He's not going to get much in arbitration. What stats is he going to use to leverage for more money? Hits?




Your the one that thinks because your licenced as a agent you know more than someone who played 20 years in the league and negotiated a lot of his own contracts. You might want to check the list of licenced agents before you blow all their horns. Your assumption because someone is licenced as a agent they are all experts and better prepared than Claude Lemieux is silly. You should check the list of licenced agents and you can explain how some who represent their own kid with zero experience are going to do a better job than Claude Lemieux. And assuming because Claude is representing him he won't get him as much in arbitration is silly.
You obviously don't understand the process if you make light of a very important stat like hits, that all your expert agents use to their advantage when it's a good stat for their client, and rest assured the number of his hits are going to be brought up if this ever gets to arbitration. Most cases don't go to arbitration for a reason and that's because it often ends in what teams perceive to be a overpayment, and the smart money is Lemieux won't end up in arbitration.. Lemieux is well regarded and represented and either way will be ready.
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Vua
Posted 2020-10-16 5:40 AM (#734607 - in reply to #734590)
Subject: Re: 4 RFA's File for Arbitration - Dates Set


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LaFrenger - 2020-10-15 4:11 PM

Vua - 2020-10-15 12:59 PM

LaFrenger - 2020-10-15 12:31 PM

I think Georgiev shouldn’t be a problem, he still has some proving to do. In Lemieux case his dad Claude is his agent and he definitely knows the ropes, understanding arbitration probably maximizes contract value and will take full advantage of it. If the Rangers balk at the ruling there will be other teams ready to pounce. He will be right down to the wire.


Why would his father know more than agents who go through the process every year? Other than keeping the money in the family he's at more of a disadvantage with his father acting as his agent. He's not going to get much in arbitration. What stats is he going to use to leverage for more money? Hits?




Your the one that thinks because your licenced as a agent you know more than someone who played 20 years in the league and negotiated a lot of his own contracts. You might want to check the list of licenced agents before you blow all their horns. Your assumption because someone is licenced as a agent they are all experts and better prepared than Claude Lemieux is silly. You should check the list of licenced agents and you can explain how some who represent their own kid with zero experience are going to do a better job than Claude Lemieux. And assuming because Claude is representing him he won't get him as much in arbitration is silly.
You obviously don't understand the process if you make light of a very important stat like hits, that all your expert agents use to their advantage when it's a good stat for their client, and rest assured the number of his hits are going to be brought up if this ever gets to arbitration. Most cases don't go to arbitration for a reason and that's because it often ends in what teams perceive to be a overpayment, and the smart money is Lemieux won't end up in arbitration.. Lemieux is well regarded and represented and either way will be ready.


You're kidding yourself. Agents have jobs for a reason. But go on believing super agent Claude is going to maximize the earnings of his 4th line son who has nothing to argue for more money. He has a better chance of getting more from the Rangers by negotiating than he would going to arbitration.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2020-10-16 7:13 AM (#734608 - in reply to #734607)
Subject: Re: 4 RFA's File for Arbitration - Dates Set



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Vua - 2020-10-16 4:40 AM

LaFrenger - 2020-10-15 4:11 PM

Vua - 2020-10-15 12:59 PM

LaFrenger - 2020-10-15 12:31 PM

I think Georgiev shouldn’t be a problem, he still has some proving to do. In Lemieux case his dad Claude is his agent and he definitely knows the ropes, understanding arbitration probably maximizes contract value and will take full advantage of it. If the Rangers balk at the ruling there will be other teams ready to pounce. He will be right down to the wire.


Why would his father know more than agents who go through the process every year? Other than keeping the money in the family he's at more of a disadvantage with his father acting as his agent. He's not going to get much in arbitration. What stats is he going to use to leverage for more money? Hits?




Your the one that thinks because your licenced as a agent you know more than someone who played 20 years in the league and negotiated a lot of his own contracts. You might want to check the list of licenced agents before you blow all their horns. Your assumption because someone is licenced as a agent they are all experts and better prepared than Claude Lemieux is silly. You should check the list of licenced agents and you can explain how some who represent their own kid with zero experience are going to do a better job than Claude Lemieux. And assuming because Claude is representing him he won't get him as much in arbitration is silly.
You obviously don't understand the process if you make light of a very important stat like hits, that all your expert agents use to their advantage when it's a good stat for their client, and rest assured the number of his hits are going to be brought up if this ever gets to arbitration. Most cases don't go to arbitration for a reason and that's because it often ends in what teams perceive to be a overpayment, and the smart money is Lemieux won't end up in arbitration.. Lemieux is well regarded and represented and either way will be ready.


You're kidding yourself. Agents have jobs for a reason. But go on believing super agent Claude is going to maximize the earnings of his 4th line son who has nothing to argue for more money. He has a better chance of getting more from the Rangers by negotiating than he would going to arbitration.




No your kidding yourself thinking everyone licensed as a NHL agent will do a better job than Lemieux would do helping his son. Google the list of agents. As in all professions, Agents licensed by the NHL are not created equal or necessarily even competent.
You must be kreskin or somethin already knowing Lemieux can only maximize his sons contract value by negotiating, rather than going to arbitration without even knowing a Ranger offer. No matter how they settle they are going to be talking about hits and other statistics and attributes Lemieux brings to the table, its what they do.
Arbitration is also likely a moot point as I've mentioned, even though Lemieux's camp would be prepared. These things usually get taken care of prior to arbitration and unless there is a huge disparity, its better to accept a negotiated fair and reasonable known number, and with Claude Lemieux's networking ability with other Agents and G.M's, he will know. . At the end of the day it's all the Lemieux's want. Gorton has a way of coming up with the right number and getting it done, based on Lemieux's value to the team.
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