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I think it was the best thing to do.  There is basically little to no chance to really improve this team significantly.  I suspect he's not getting good offers for Miller -- which mean (THANKFULLY) no Gavrikov.

That being said, there is talk that he'll need the 2026 pick for offer sheets.  Other than Peterka (who we don't need and/or Byram, I can't think of anyone else he might target.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/06/24/sports/rangers-trade-top-draft-pick-to-penguins-with-tantalizing-2026-possibilities/

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Topic starter Posted : 24/06/2025 10:50 am
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They could also potentially use the 2026 1st as an asset if they get to the deadline and are in a competitive position too.  I'm ambivalent about whether it was this year or next...12th isn't exactly a sure fire win, and I'd be surprised if they're not picking in the middle next year too.

Still a bit frustrated they used it to acquire J.T. Miller (and then a 3rd to get Soucy), but he's still trying to win now...so at least there's some logic there.

There was some talk that they were trying to acquire Chicago's 3rd overall pick, but perhaps that finally fell through and that prompted the move (or maybe they're still in that conversation).

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Posted : 24/06/2025 12:54 pm
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@fish I don't think he had any choice but to "go for it" yet again.  He was handcuffed by contracts and cap space (yet again).  But, (which I think is) most important, that damned centennial.  No way is The Dolt gonna put a team of scrubs on the ice for that.....Personally, I don't see how he improved this team in any way and I think it's a good chance that we end up with another lottery pick.

Of course, that would be dangerous because I can see The Dolt "forcing" Drury to trade that pick for some "savior" and getting burned again.

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Topic starter Posted : 24/06/2025 2:05 pm
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Well all but the Panarin contract are now Drury's, and perhaps his one strength has proven to be his ability to get out from under onerous contracts.  Then again, he's also signed up a bunch of risk ones including Goodrow, Nemeth, Reaves, Zibanejad and of course the acquisition of JT Miller.  There's also risk in the Shesterkin one as well, though I wouldn't lump the Fox and Lafreniere ones in the same boat, and Trocheck seems to remaining eminently tradeable as well...so it hasn't been all bad.

You make a fair point with the centennial season, although Dolan's actions remain unpredictable.  Maybe the one good thing that Sather did was keep him out of the management of the Rangers, and now that Sather's gone, and Drury is beholden to Dolan, anything is possible.  Aside from the Kane acquisition, I'm not sure Dolan has had too much input into any of the others under Drury, though he perhaps has had to approve some of the decisions.

I imagine if a player came out and criticized Dolan, then that would bring him into it, but that would be something new.

We're also yet to see who Sullivan chooses as "his guys" which could certainly lead to more changes...and may be part of the reason why K'Andre Miller is on the market now.

Drury has been more protective on 1st round picks than other rounds (as has the league in general for the most part as they've pivoted to these long term contracts).  Doesn't mean they don't get traded, but they seem to carry an outsized value for what they might get you in the draft, whereas I'd argue 2nd round picks have become a little undervalued (Drury has dealt them out like Halloween candy).

 

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In other news, i just saw this:

 

https://twitter.com/BaldPanarin/status/1937654757717635132

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Topic starter Posted : 24/06/2025 7:01 pm
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As usual Drury has very few mostly self inflicted options. Every year at draft time the same old story. No cap space no high end picks. And like you Fish I don't see Dolan pinpricking a  Drury doll to do this or that, more of only a rubber stamp on expensive moves. Drury has got the Rangers to where they are on his own. 

What's Drury's inability to build a front office and scouting staff that should be the envy of the league. Succesful teams don't just happen you need a winner based front office and coaching staff. They have the resources to poach any hockey executive, pro scout or amateur scout with , "and here is the rub Chris" a SUCCESSFUL background. Not hire nice friendly guys you can beat at golf. Fill me in about one signing for the front office that follows a mandate of hiring from winning organizations. 

If Dolan wants to get involved next time instead of resigning Drury for three years, he should be hard at hiring a winner, not a never was like Drury. Especially paying attention to when a Bill Zito contract is coming up for renewal. a little hypothetical chat with his agent lauding how much money the Rangers would spend on a winner and the seed is planted. Winners begat winning.  

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Posted : 25/06/2025 9:22 am
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As usual Drury has very few mostly self inflicted options. Every year at draft time the same old story. No cap space no high end picks. And like you Fish I don't see Dolan pinpricking a  Drury doll to do this or that, more of only a rubber stamp on expensive moves. Drury has got the Rangers to where they are on his own. 

What's Drury's inability to build a front office and scouting staff that should be the envy of the league. Succesful teams don't just happen you need a winner based front office and coaching staff. They have the resources to poach any hockey executive, pro scout or amateur scout with , "and here is the rub Chris" a SUCCESSFUL background. Not hire nice friendly guys you can beat at golf. Fill me in about one signing for the front office that follows a mandate of hiring from winning organizations. 

If Dolan wants to get involved next time instead of resigning Drury for three years, he should be hard at hiring a winner, not a never was like Drury. Especially paying attention to when a Bill Zito contract is coming up for renewal. a little hypothetical chat with his agent lauding how much money the Rangers would spend on a winner and the seed is planted. Winners begat winning.  

It's been rumored for a long time that people do not want to work for or under James Dolan.  

 

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Topic starter Posted : 25/06/2025 11:01 am
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Posted by: @mjolnir

Posted by: @cuyllranger

As usual Drury has very few mostly self inflicted options. Every year at draft time the same old story. No cap space no high end picks. And like you Fish I don't see Dolan pinpricking a  Drury doll to do this or that, more of only a rubber stamp on expensive moves. Drury has got the Rangers to where they are on his own. 

What's Drury's inability to build a front office and scouting staff that should be the envy of the league. Succesful teams don't just happen you need a winner based front office and coaching staff. They have the resources to poach any hockey executive, pro scout or amateur scout with , "and here is the rub Chris" a SUCCESSFUL background. Not hire nice friendly guys you can beat at golf. Fill me in about one signing for the front office that follows a mandate of hiring from winning organizations. 

If Dolan wants to get involved next time instead of resigning Drury for three years, he should be hard at hiring a winner, not a never was like Drury. Especially paying attention to when a Bill Zito contract is coming up for renewal. a little hypothetical chat with his agent lauding how much money the Rangers would spend on a winner and the seed is planted. Winners begat winning.  

It's been rumored for a long time that people do not want to work for or under James Dolan.  

 

and why would they?

Sather's hand prints where all over the Rangers for 2 decades and all those Rangers Cups. Dolan fired JD after less than 2 years. They see Dolan's need to be in on free agents. It is easy to crack on these GMs, but Gorton had a decent track record in Boston before the Rangers and had his moments for the Rangers and then got fired with JD over the stupid Dolan NHL letter after Wilson's nonsense. Dolan should have let Gorton and JD finish what they started. It is the follow through from the previous GM where things always get hazy. Now Drury has to deal with Dolan and change the direction of Gorton while dealing with Dolan. MSG is loaded with nonsense. Not everybody will take the extra $$ premiums that Dolan has to pay to get people here.

 

 

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As usual Drury has very few mostly self inflicted options. Every year at draft time the same old story. No cap space no high end picks. And like you Fish I don't see Dolan pinpricking a  Drury doll to do this or that, more of only a rubber stamp on expensive moves. Drury has got the Rangers to where they are on his own. 

What's Drury's inability to build a front office and scouting staff that should be the envy of the league. Succesful teams don't just happen you need a winner based front office and coaching staff. They have the resources to poach any hockey executive, pro scout or amateur scout with , "and here is the rub Chris" a SUCCESSFUL background. Not hire nice friendly guys you can beat at golf. Fill me in about one signing for the front office that follows a mandate of hiring from winning organizations. 

If Dolan wants to get involved next time instead of resigning Drury for three years, he should be hard at hiring a winner, not a never was like Drury. Especially paying attention to when a Bill Zito contract is coming up for renewal. a little hypothetical chat with his agent lauding how much money the Rangers would spend on a winner and the seed is planted. Winners begat winning.  

It's been rumored for a long time that people do not want to work for or under James Dolan.  

 

and why would they?

Sather's hand prints where all over the Rangers for 2 decades and all those Rangers Cups. Dolan fired JD after less than 2 years. They see Dolan's need to be in on free agents. It is easy to crack on these GMs, but Gorton had a decent track record in Boston before the Rangers and had his moments for the Rangers and then got fired with JD over the stupid Dolan NHL letter after Wilson's nonsense. Dolan should have let Gorton and JD finish what they started. It is the follow through from the previous GM where things always get hazy. Now Drury has to deal with Dolan and change the direction of Gorton while dealing with Dolan. MSG is loaded with nonsense. Not everybody will take the extra $$ premiums that Dolan has to pay to get people here.

 

 

I totally agree....I certainly wouldn't want to work where someone is always looking over my shoulder or will interfere with what I'm doing at any second whether warranted or not.

 

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Topic starter Posted : 25/06/2025 6:22 pm
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There is a case to be made Dolan's perceived interference was a lot more on Sather than Dolan. And personally I'm inclined to believe the last major happening of Sathers Ranger existence was to fire Davidson and Gorton after the Wilson incident. But for all we know that was a bubbling issue for Davidson and Gorton's entire time in New York. There was a lot of pissed off fans and Ranger hockey people over that incident. No coincidence Drury gets hired and brings in Reave's, and Goodrow 

I highly doubt Sather and Dolan would have restricted the hiring of Scouts and hockey executives a G.M would have wanted to do, or restricting Drury in any way from shaping his hockey people. Instead Drury has chosen a old boys club, back to the guys you can beat on the golf course, instead of personnel with NHL success in their background.  Hockey people are going to go the best opportunity, the GM is the guy that gets them there. 

And to my point even under Sathers horrific reign and dump truck load of stupid signings, trades, and draft picks, he still got them to the Stanley Cup final in 1994. Following another winner from Detroit Neil Smith who had a Sather like record of stupid, draft picks, free agent signings and trades yet was running the show when the Rangers won their only Cup in my lifetime. New York is not the place to hire on the job training G.M.'s.   

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There is a case to be made Dolan's perceived interference was a lot more on Sather than Dolan. And personally I'm inclined to believe the last major happening of Sathers Ranger existence was to fire Davidson and Gorton after the Wilson incident. But for all we know that was a bubbling issue for Davidson and Gorton's entire time in New York. There was a lot of pissed off fans and Ranger hockey people over that incident. No coincidence Drury gets hired and brings in Reave's, and Goodrow 

I highly doubt Sather and Dolan would have restricted the hiring of Scouts and hockey executives a G.M would have wanted to do, or restricting Drury in any way from shaping his hockey people. Instead Drury has chosen a old boys club, back to the guys you can beat on the golf course, instead of personnel with NHL success in their background.  Hockey people are going to go the best opportunity, the GM is the guy that gets them there. 

And to my point even under Sathers horrific reign and dump truck load of stupid signings, trades, and draft picks, he still got them to the Stanley Cup final in 1994. Following another winner from Detroit Neil Smith who had a Sather like record of stupid, draft picks, free agent signings and trades yet was running the show when the Rangers won their only Cup in my lifetime. New York is not the place to hire on the job training G.M.'s.   

Sather was hired by Dolan June 1, 2000. The 1994 Cup was Smith's work. Sather left the Rangers officially left the Rangers June, 2024. Sather gets lots of deserved credit for the 5 cups in Edm, but 1 cup final (2014) in his Rangers term sucks especially when he had an the full use of the cap and an all world goalie from 2005 on. But worst of all, Sather hired Trottier.

 

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Posted : 26/06/2025 4:27 pm
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And to my point even under Sathers horrific reign and dump truck load of stupid signings, trades, and draft picks, he still got them to the Stanley Cup final in 1994. Following another winner from Detroit Neil Smith who had a Sather like record of stupid, draft picks, free agent signings and trades yet was running the show when the Rangers won their only Cup in my lifetime. New York is not the place to hire on the job training G.M.'s.   

Sather did not get them to the Cup....he didn't join Rangers until 2000.

 

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Topic starter Posted : 27/06/2025 7:53 am
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And to my point even under Sathers horrific reign and dump truck load of stupid signings, trades, and draft picks, he still got them to the Stanley Cup final in 1994. Following another winner from Detroit Neil Smith who had a Sather like record of stupid, draft picks, free agent signings and trades yet was running the show when the Rangers won their only Cup in my lifetime. New York is not the place to hire on the job training G.M.'s.   

Sather did not get them to the Cup....he didn't join Rangers until 2000.

 

My bad a typo meant got them to the final in 2014

Glen Sather served as the President of the New York Rangers from 2000 to 2019. He initially joined the Rangers as both President and General Manager in 2000, then stepped down as GM in 2015, continuing as President until 2019. 

 

 

 

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There is a case to be made Dolan's perceived interference was a lot more on Sather than Dolan. And personally I'm inclined to believe the last major happening of Sathers Ranger existence was to fire Davidson and Gorton after the Wilson incident. But for all we know that was a bubbling issue for Davidson and Gorton's entire time in New York. There was a lot of pissed off fans and Ranger hockey people over that incident. No coincidence Drury gets hired and brings in Reave's, and Goodrow 

I highly doubt Sather and Dolan would have restricted the hiring of Scouts and hockey executives a G.M would have wanted to do, or restricting Drury in any way from shaping his hockey people. Instead Drury has chosen a old boys club, back to the guys you can beat on the golf course, instead of personnel with NHL success in their background.  Hockey people are going to go the best opportunity, the GM is the guy that gets them there. 

And to my point even under Sathers horrific reign and dump truck load of stupid signings, trades, and draft picks, he still got them to the Stanley Cup final in 1994. Following another winner from Detroit Neil Smith who had a Sather like record of stupid, draft picks, free agent signings and trades yet was running the show when the Rangers won their only Cup in my lifetime. New York is not the place to hire on the job training G.M.'s.   

Sather was hired by Dolan June 1, 2000. The 1994 Cup was Smith's work. Sather left the Rangers officially left the Rangers June, 2024. Sather gets lots of deserved credit for the 5 cups in Edm, but 1 cup final (2014) in his Rangers term sucks especially when he had an the full use of the cap and an all world goalie from 2005 on. But worst of all, Sather hired Trottier.

 

 

My bad a typo meant Sather for them to the 2014 cup final. The 1994 cup that was Smith. 

 

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