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PV29
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HAHAHAHAHAhahaha.  Good thing Trouba and Goodrow are gone. 

Sellers at the deadline.  If anyone will want any of the pieces of this wreckage.  Kreider and Zibanejad are stones around this team's neck, failed to deliver when they had their window of opportunity and now are just dragging the team down.

Keep Cuylle, Panarin, Schneider, Chytil, Lafreniere, Mancini, and Carrick.  Beef up the defense as best as possible and get some hungry hard-chargers who want to make their mark.  The Broadway Fat Cats gotta go.

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Posted : 09/12/2024 10:31 pm
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Well better get your typewriters ready then, because we're going to need another letter.  Not sure Dolan would ever sign off on such a wholesale change again, because he didn't even have the patience to run out the last one...besides which, teams like Buffalo, Detroit and maybe even LA show that kind of rebuild probably doesn't work more than it does work.

The Tampa model is the most interesting one, though obviously they won the Cup, but maybe something like the Panther model (which is like a better version of the Rangers of 91-93).

In that case, rather than look at the off-season to make hockey trades, rather than trade for futures at the deadline.  A guy like Kreider probably has enough term that you might be able to make a hockey trade, Miller and Kakko for sure, same with Lafreniere if you go that route.  

Zibanejad is the hard one because he's got the NMC, so unless he wants to move he's not going anywhere, and at any rate, Center might be the toughest spot to address...unless you want to hold out hope that Eichel or McDavid make it to free agency in two years...at any rate, neither is particularly a leader on their respective team, but they sure will cost a lot.

I would still consider firing Laviolette.  I think in particular, his defensive scheme is hard to play.  The hybrid man on man puts a lot of pressure on the player and amplifies mistakes because the defense are often trailing their guy out high or at least out of position.  On offense, it seems to lead to the Rangers cheating more and getting caught because they're trying to activate quickly and get ahead of the puck.

Just not sure there's anyone out there I would hire yet...so there's that.  I wonder if Drury was hoping the Pens would fire Sullivan, but that doesn't appear likely right now, and Sullivan has his own limitations.

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Topic starter Posted : 09/12/2024 10:59 pm
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Well all fingers point to Drury's handling of Goodrow, who I think was a lot more popular and respected in the dressing room than on here, and Trouba's summer handling as the reason. And now that Trouba who I'm sure was also well received in the room, has had his can kicked down the road, you have those possibly affected in the future by the same treatment, quitting on the team, and Drury. Doesn't explain away a pretty impressive start, but maybe it took some time for a few conversations between Trouba and teammates after the season went along, to fire up the team apathy, and the Trouba punt really digging in the unhappiness.  Is that really it?

Nice to see the level of Laviolettes bad deployments continuing and increasing. Evidenced by his use of Cuylle in the third period in a one goal almost must win game. According to Brooks 8th most minutes. Which is ridiculous. All the while throwing out a lame duck power play that has struggled all year, mirroring their usual later round playoff series ineptness. Why on earth would you keep throwing out a powerplay that's proven they can't get it done in the crunch. Isn't that why you play 82 games to get your best figured out, not just anoint it. I think there is more than a few pissed off younger players not getting more opportunity sitting watching the big five go through the motions.  LaFreniere's early season game screamed he deserved to be on the number 1 powerplay at the expense of the more than a few that didn't. Yet Pistol Pete let him rot and he is off his game. Cuylle another who's overall game exceeds Kreiders by miles and he sits and watches kreider float. Chytil the same watching Zibanejad struggle. You want to kill a team pull off that shit topped with the Goodrow, Trouba  assassinations. 

Drury has made his bed if that is part of the issue, and he has to go, or he has to get more of the number 1 power play unit off the team, and hope it ends that excuse. And Laviolette needs a reintroduction to coaches are supposed to reward the best hardest working players and sit bungling mistake prone idlers. Of which the Rangers have to many at Laviolettes perceived top of the lineup.  if suitable replacements are out there both Drury and Laviolette should be gassed.

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Posted : 10/12/2024 10:56 am
PV29
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The contracts you give, and the players, will eventually age.  And most times not gracefully.  It's a business, so tough decisions have to be made by management.  The players understand this for the most part.

But Drury handled this very poorly.  He went public with matters that belong in-house.  You don't take your family squabbles and post them online.  He has betrayed the trust of the guys in the room, and he embarrassed two very proud, well-respected veteran leaders.

That being behind them, the real problem is that the leadership of Goodrow and Trouba have not been replaced.  Their cap hit has been removed, but so has their personality and voice in the room.  This team needs someone to throw their helmet at the bench and scream, "Wake the F up!", but he's gone now.  And he hasn't been replaced.

By the way, the reason that it was necessary for Trouba to do that in the first place is because the Bromancers and their post-game hugs are NOT leaders.  Point producers, elite players at one time, yes.  But they are not players who other guys follow.  Listening to Trouba getting interviewed this morning on NHL Network radio it is apparent why he was the leader.  He's fiercely loyal, sticks to his principles, and very much wanted to be here to fix what was wrong.  And now he's gone and the "leadership group" of ZZzzzzzibanejad and Casper Kreider are the identity of the team.

Fire the coach?  How many coaches have the Bromancers gotten fired already?  What's one more gonna do to help this team?

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Posted : 10/12/2024 3:17 pm
CuyllRanger
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Posted by: @pv29

The contracts you give, and the players, will eventually age.  And most times not gracefully.  It's a business, so tough decisions have to be made by management.  The players understand this for the most part.

But Drury handled this very poorly.  He went public with matters that belong in-house.  You don't take your family squabbles and post them online.  He has betrayed the trust of the guys in the room, and he embarrassed two very proud, well-respected veteran leaders.

That being behind them, the real problem is that the leadership of Goodrow and Trouba have not been replaced.  Their cap hit has been removed, but so has their personality and voice in the room.  This team needs someone to throw their helmet at the bench and scream, "Wake the F up!", but he's gone now.  And he hasn't been replaced.

By the way, the reason that it was necessary for Trouba to do that in the first place is because the Bromancers and their post-game hugs are NOT leaders.  Point producers, elite players at one time, yes.  But they are not players who other guys follow.  Listening to Trouba getting interviewed this morning on NHL Network radio it is apparent why he was the leader.  He's fiercely loyal, sticks to his principles, and very much wanted to be here to fix what was wrong.  And now he's gone and the "leadership group" of ZZzzzzzibanejad and Casper Kreider are the identity of the team.

Fire the coach?  How many coaches have the Bromancers gotten fired already?  What's one more gonna do to help this team?

 

Laviolette is the one that keeps sending Kreider and Zibanejad out on the ice in all the critical situations. And that’s on him.

 

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Posted : 10/12/2024 3:31 pm
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Posted by: @pv29

The contracts you give, and the players, will eventually age.  And most times not gracefully.  It's a business, so tough decisions have to be made by management.  The players understand this for the most part.

But Drury handled this very poorly.  He went public with matters that belong in-house.  You don't take your family squabbles and post them online.  He has betrayed the trust of the guys in the room, and he embarrassed two very proud, well-respected veteran leaders.

That being behind them, the real problem is that the leadership of Goodrow and Trouba have not been replaced.  Their cap hit has been removed, but so has their personality and voice in the room.  This team needs someone to throw their helmet at the bench and scream, "Wake the F up!", but he's gone now.  And he hasn't been replaced.

By the way, the reason that it was necessary for Trouba to do that in the first place is because the Bromancers and their post-game hugs are NOT leaders.  Point producers, elite players at one time, yes.  But they are not players who other guys follow.  Listening to Trouba getting interviewed this morning on NHL Network radio it is apparent why he was the leader.  He's fiercely loyal, sticks to his principles, and very much wanted to be here to fix what was wrong.  And now he's gone and the "leadership group" of ZZzzzzzibanejad and Casper Kreider are the identity of the team.

Fire the coach?  How many coaches have the Bromancers gotten fired already?  What's one more gonna do to help this team?

Lavvy will be their 4th (AV, DQ, GG before him).

 

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Posted : 10/12/2024 3:35 pm
PV29
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Posted by: @cuyllranger

 

Laviolette is the one that keeps sending Kreider and Zibanejad out on the ice in all the critical situations. And that’s on him.

 

I hear you.  But what if the guy telling Laviolette to play those players is the same guy who decides whether to fire Laviolette.

My point is, Laviolette is no dummy.  He's taken several teams to the SC Finals.  He sees what we see, yet for some reason keeps giving these stiffs 20+ minutes per game.  I question whether he's actually making this decision.  If he is, and has decided to rise or fall with this group, then so be it.  He gets fired just like the three previous coaches that the Bromancers have had.

 

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Posted : 10/12/2024 5:41 pm
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Laviolette is the one that keeps sending Kreider and Zibanejad out on the ice in all the critical situations. And that’s on him.

 

I hear you.  But what if the guy telling Laviolette to play those players is the same guy who decides whether to fire Laviolette.

My point is, Laviolette is no dummy.  He's taken several teams to the SC Finals.  He sees what we see, yet for some reason keeps giving these stiffs 20+ minutes per game.  I question whether he's actually making this decision.  If he is, and has decided to rise or fall with this group, then so be it.  He gets fired just like the three previous coaches that the Bromancers have had.

 

 

We will probably never know an answer to Drury calling the shots. And I totally agree Laviolette has to see what we see, which gives Drury sticking his beak in some validity. They have the advantage of all the game tapes and the ability to watch games in slow motion which tells the truth, showing everything often unnoticed watching at game speed. Laviolette and/or Drury are basically following last years game plan and player usage which we all see is not working. Yet over and over. What’s that old saying about insanity. Problem with replacing both at this point is who do you replace them with. Maybe it’s time to turn the Moose loose. 

 

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Posted : 10/12/2024 7:01 pm
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I think Kreider played at least a year for Torts, so the next coach will be his SIXTH.  The dude is about the same size as Brady Tkachuk and plays as hard as Tom Poti. Him and his BFF Zzzzzzz really need to go but Z has an untradable contract. As previously mentioned, neither one is a leader. I don’t know who’s “pulling the strings” in the Rangers’ organization, but they need to pull the strings on those two tampons and flush them away - period - pun intended. 

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Posted : 10/12/2024 10:31 pm
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Posted by: @cuyllranger

Posted by: @pv29

Posted by: @cuyllranger

 

Laviolette is the one that keeps sending Kreider and Zibanejad out on the ice in all the critical situations. And that’s on him.

 

I hear you.  But what if the guy telling Laviolette to play those players is the same guy who decides whether to fire Laviolette.

My point is, Laviolette is no dummy.  He's taken several teams to the SC Finals.  He sees what we see, yet for some reason keeps giving these stiffs 20+ minutes per game.  I question whether he's actually making this decision.  If he is, and has decided to rise or fall with this group, then so be it.  He gets fired just like the three previous coaches that the Bromancers have had.

 

 

We will probably never know an answer to Drury calling the shots. And I totally agree Laviolette has to see what we see, which gives Drury sticking his beak in some validity. They have the advantage of all the game tapes and the ability to watch games in slow motion which tells the truth, showing everything often unnoticed watching at game speed. Laviolette and/or Drury are basically following last years game plan and player usage which we all see is not working. Yet over and over. What’s that old saying about insanity. Problem with replacing both at this point is who do you replace them with. Maybe it’s time to turn the Moose loose. 

 

I'll go out on a limb and say that if there is any shot calling from above, it's coming from Dolan (or in the alternative Sather). 

 

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Posted : 11/12/2024 5:13 pm
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